It's not anti-semitism, they just oppose Israel's policies.
–Omar Barghouti Founder of the BDS movement
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Here's your link hondo
Democrats want death to Israel -
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/new-york-times-doubles-down-anti-bds-hit-jobs
What Barghouti actually said is that: “A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the land’s indigenous Palestinian population and perpetuate a system of racial discrimination that ought to be opposed categorically.”
He added: “As we would oppose a Muslim state or a Christian state or any kind of exclusionary state, definitely, most definitely, we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian – rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian – will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”
Barghouti then asserted: “Accepting modern-day Jewish Israelis as equal citizens and full partners in building and developing a new shared society, free from all colonial subjugation and discrimination as called for in the democratic state model is the most magnanimous, rational offer any oppressed indigenous population can present to its oppressors.”
That’s a far cry from the impression AIPAC and Alterman evidently hope to convey, that Barghouti and the BDS movement are seething with anti-Jewish bigotry. -
He wants to eliminate the state of Israel and BDS is his vehicle to do so and you defend him.HHusky said:https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/new-york-times-doubles-down-anti-bds-hit-jobs
What Barghouti actually said is that: “A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the land’s indigenous Palestinian population and perpetuate a system of racial discrimination that ought to be opposed categorically.”
He added: “As we would oppose a Muslim state or a Christian state or any kind of exclusionary state, definitely, most definitely, we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian – rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian – will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”
Barghouti then asserted: “Accepting modern-day Jewish Israelis as equal citizens and full partners in building and developing a new shared society, free from all colonial subjugation and discrimination as called for in the democratic state model is the most magnanimous, rational offer any oppressed indigenous population can present to its oppressors.”
That’s a far cry from the impression AIPAC and Alterman evidently hope to convey, that Barghouti and the BDS movement are seething with anti-Jewish bigotry.
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AIPAC fed people a line. His edited statement isn't reflective of what he actually said.
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“As we would oppose a Muslim state or a Christian state or any kind of exclusionary state, definitely, most definitely, we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian – rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian – will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”
So why isn't he leading a BDS movement against Saudi Arabia? And Israel isn't just a "Jewish state" 20% of the country is Arab.
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A child of Palestinians, married to an Israeli leads a cause that involves Israel. You can't figure out why he doesn't lead a cause that involves some other nation.SFGbob said:“As we would oppose a Muslim state or a Christian state or any kind of exclusionary state, definitely, most definitely, we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian – rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian – will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”
So why isn't he leading a BDS movement against Saudi Arabia? And Israel isn't just a "Jewish state" 20% of the country is Arab.
So why isn't he boycotting the UAE?
Do you donate money to any causes? Why don't you donate money to all causes?
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Why is it that none of the Pali brothers and sisters wants anything to do with them?
Historically the Palis have claimed all sorts of real estate to be their "homeland ".
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So he doesn't really oppose a exclusionary Muslim state and Israel isn't exclusively Jewish. Other than that you fucking nailed it O'Keefed.HHusky said:
A child of Palestinians, married to an Israeli leads a cause that involves Israel. You can't figure out why he doesn't lead a cause that involves some other nation.SFGbob said:“As we would oppose a Muslim state or a Christian state or any kind of exclusionary state, definitely, most definitely, we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian – rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian – will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”
So why isn't he leading a BDS movement against Saudi Arabia? And Israel isn't just a "Jewish state" 20% of the country is Arab.
So why isn't he boycotting the UAE?
Do you donate money to any causes? Why don't you donate money to all causes?
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Yeah because what he "actually" said is so much better.HHusky said:AIPAC fed people a line. His edited statement isn't reflective of what he actually said.
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Yes, a one state solution where Muslims are the majority and Israel is eliminated. He also said he was opposed to an exclusive Jewish state, when Israel isn't an exclusive Jewish state and that he is opposed to an exclusive Muslim state although he doesn't lead any BDS protest against the exclusive Muslim states that really do exist.HHusky said:
Historically Jews have fared so well when they are a minority people in a Muslim country, especially a Muslim country populated with people that have been trying to wipe them out since their inception. I'm shocked Israel hasn't jumped to sign onto this great deal. -
Your right that quote is significantly better than what was reported.HHusky said:https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/new-york-times-doubles-down-anti-bds-hit-jobs
What Barghouti actually said is that: “A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the land’s indigenous Palestinian population and perpetuate a system of racial discrimination that ought to be opposed categorically.”
He added: “As we would oppose a Muslim state or a Christian state or any kind of exclusionary state, definitely, most definitely, we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian – rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian – will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”
Barghouti then asserted: “Accepting modern-day Jewish Israelis as equal citizens and full partners in building and developing a new shared society, free from all colonial subjugation and discrimination as called for in the democratic state model is the most magnanimous, rational offer any oppressed indigenous population can present to its oppressors.”
That’s a far cry from the impression AIPAC and Alterman evidently hope to convey, that Barghouti and the BDS movement are seething with anti-Jewish bigotry.
Do you believe he would oppose a Muslim state?
I don't. -
Different argument. Why did you choose to be dishonest instead of talking about the actual issue?SFGbob said:
Yes, a one state solution where Muslims are the majority and Israel is eliminated. He also said he was opposed to an exclusive Jewish state, when Israel isn't an exclusive Jewish state and that he is opposed to an exclusive Muslim state although he doesn't lead any BDS protest against the exclusive Muslim states that really do exist.HHusky said:
Historically Jews have fared so well when they are a minority people in a Muslim country, especially a Muslim country populated with people that have been trying to wipe them out since their inception. I'm shocked Israel hasn't jumped to sign onto this great deal. -
Omar Barghouti
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/omar-barghouti/
“Barghouti’s father was a founding member of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964. “The PLO,” Omar recalls, “was very much part of our family [and] … our upbringing.”
“In a February 2015 talk sponsored by an SJP chapter in Portland, Oregon, Barghouti accused the United States and Israel of having secretly conspired to foment Islamic terrorism in order to create a pretext for military intervention and mass killings in the Muslim world. Said Barghouti: “We think that the U.S. and Israel are benefiting a lot from this ISIS phenomenon… Regardless [of] whether … the U.S. intelligence community created the beginnings of ISIS, well, they created [the] Taliban, they created Al-Qaeda, so why not ISIS? I mean, after all, who created bin Laden? It was the U.S. in Afghanistan…. We don’t have conclusive evidence. Regardless, who’s benefiting from ISIS? One thing is for sure: The tens of thousands of victims of ISIS are brown Muslim Arabs, predominantly.” -
I was going to post some joobs but I don’t like to mix violence and sex and bob was literally murdered in this thread.
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Every single Muslim wants to kill every single Jew. How is this hard to understand.
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TheKobeStopper said:
I was going to post some joobs but I don’t like to mix violence and sex and bob was literally murdered in this thread.
You need to learn to compartmentalize your morals.
Respect for saving this thread with a hint of joobs.
Now, here's the real thing.
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Yeah nothing like being "literally murdered" by libs like HH who post articles and supposed quotes directly from extreme left anti-Israel, anti-Jew sources like Intifada. He might have just as well quoted Mein Kampf.TheKobeStopper said:I was going to post some joobs but I don’t like to mix violence and sex and bob was literally murdered in this thread.
Then idiots like you come here and applaud the bigotry. I think you and your lil' buddy HH need to starch your pointy hats again. -
Bullshit, that is his “argument”HHusky said:
Different argument. Why did you choose to be dishonest instead of talking about the actual issue?SFGbob said:
Yes, a one state solution where Muslims are the majority and Israel is eliminated. He also said he was opposed to an exclusive Jewish state, when Israel isn't an exclusive Jewish state and that he is opposed to an exclusive Muslim state although he doesn't lead any BDS protest against the exclusive Muslim states that really do exist.HHusky said:
Historically Jews have fared so well when they are a minority people in a Muslim country, especially a Muslim country populated with people that have been trying to wipe them out since their inception. I'm shocked Israel hasn't jumped to sign onto this great deal.
Of course you being the Kunt you are don’t address what he is actually calling for and claim I’m being dishonest. -
Just a "child of Palestinians, married to an Israeli lead[ing] a cause that involves Israel" right O'Keefed?DJDuck said:Omar Barghouti
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/omar-barghouti/
“Barghouti’s father was a founding member of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964. “The PLO,” Omar recalls, “was very much part of our family [and] … our upbringing.”
“In a February 2015 talk sponsored by an SJP chapter in Portland, Oregon, Barghouti accused the United States and Israel of having secretly conspired to foment Islamic terrorism in order to create a pretext for military intervention and mass killings in the Muslim world. Said Barghouti: “We think that the U.S. and Israel are benefiting a lot from this ISIS phenomenon… Regardless [of] whether … the U.S. intelligence community created the beginnings of ISIS, well, they created [the] Taliban, they created Al-Qaeda, so why not ISIS? I mean, after all, who created bin Laden? It was the U.S. in Afghanistan…. We don’t have conclusive evidence. Regardless, who’s benefiting from ISIS? One thing is for sure: The tens of thousands of victims of ISIS are brown Muslim Arabs, predominantly.” -
Those joobs are my favorite joobsPurpleThrobber said:TheKobeStopper said:I was going to post some joobs but I don’t like to mix violence and sex and bob was literally murdered in this thread.
You need to learn to compartmentalize your morals.
Respect for saving this thread with a hint of joobs.
Now, here's the real thing. -
I have a pretty good feeling she could suck the chrome off a bumper, too.Pitchfork51 said:
Those joobs are my favorite joobsPurpleThrobber said:TheKobeStopper said:I was going to post some joobs but I don’t like to mix violence and sex and bob was literally murdered in this thread.
You need to learn to compartmentalize your morals.
Respect for saving this thread with a hint of joobs.
Now, here's the real thing.
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If he quoted Mein Kampf he would have gotten applause from all the ANTIFA backers on here.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah nothing like being "literally murdered" by libs like HH who post articles and supposed quotes directly from extreme left anti-Israel, anti-Jew sources like Intifada. He might have just as well quoted Mein Kampf.TheKobeStopper said:I was going to post some joobs but I don’t like to mix violence and sex and bob was literally murdered in this thread.
Then idiots like you come here and applaud the bigotry. I think you and your lil' buddy HH need to starch your pointy hats again. -
HHusky simply adds more words and context to the quote, which alone clearly shows a different narrative than what White Power Bob was asserting.
Then @Bendintheriverfs like a 4 year old accuses him of citing "extreme-left sources.''
The tug in a nutshell -
Funny cause the only one I’ve ever seen link to AmRen.com is you AtlBendintheriver said:
Yeah nothing like being "literally murdered" by libs like HH who post articles and supposed quotes directly from extreme left anti-Israel, anti-Jew sources like Intifada. He might have just as well quoted Mein Kampf.TheKobeStopper said:I was going to post some joobs but I don’t like to mix violence and sex and bob was literally murdered in this thread.
Then idiots like you come here and applaud the bigotry. I think you and your lil' buddy HH need to starch your pointy hats again. -
I don't agree with him. But if you can make your case without doctored quotes, do that. I don't want to be manipulated by AIPAC any more that I want to be manipulated by Hamas.SFGbob said:
Yes, a one state solution where Muslims are the majority and Israel is eliminated. He also said he was opposed to an exclusive Jewish state, when Israel isn't an exclusive Jewish state and that he is opposed to an exclusive Muslim state although he doesn't lead any BDS protest against the exclusive Muslim states that really do exist.HHusky said:
Historically Jews have fared so well when they are a minority people in a Muslim country, especially a Muslim country populated with people that have been trying to wipe them out since their inception. I'm shocked Israel hasn't jumped to sign onto this great deal. -
Did you somehow disprove what I said?SFGbob said:
Just a "child of Palestinians, married to an Israeli lead[ing] a cause that involves Israel" right O'Keefed?DJDuck said:Omar Barghouti
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/omar-barghouti/
“Barghouti’s father was a founding member of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964. “The PLO,” Omar recalls, “was very much part of our family [and] … our upbringing.”
“In a February 2015 talk sponsored by an SJP chapter in Portland, Oregon, Barghouti accused the United States and Israel of having secretly conspired to foment Islamic terrorism in order to create a pretext for military intervention and mass killings in the Muslim world. Said Barghouti: “We think that the U.S. and Israel are benefiting a lot from this ISIS phenomenon… Regardless [of] whether … the U.S. intelligence community created the beginnings of ISIS, well, they created [the] Taliban, they created Al-Qaeda, so why not ISIS? I mean, after all, who created bin Laden? It was the U.S. in Afghanistan…. We don’t have conclusive evidence. Regardless, who’s benefiting from ISIS? One thing is for sure: The tens of thousands of victims of ISIS are brown Muslim Arabs, predominantly.”
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Exactly. There are good arguments to be made against a "one state solution." Just like there are good arguments against any proposed solution.
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But I guess you can't make your case without lying about what the guy is really calling for. He wants a one state solution with a right of return and the elimination of Israel. This would turn the current Jewish state into a country with a Arab/Muslim majority and a Jewish minority. He is calling for the elimination of Israel. The guy doesn't have a problem with exclusionary Muslim states, he is a fucking liar. He has a problem with the one Jewish state that he lies about and claims is a exclusionary Jewish state.HHusky said:
I don't agree with him. But if you can make your case without doctored quotes, do that. I don't want to be manipulated by AIPAC any more that I want to be manipulated by Hamas.SFGbob said:
Yes, a one state solution where Muslims are the majority and Israel is eliminated. He also said he was opposed to an exclusive Jewish state, when Israel isn't an exclusive Jewish state and that he is opposed to an exclusive Muslim state although he doesn't lead any BDS protest against the exclusive Muslim states that really do exist.HHusky said:
Historically Jews have fared so well when they are a minority people in a Muslim country, especially a Muslim country populated with people that have been trying to wipe them out since their inception. I'm shocked Israel hasn't jumped to sign onto this great deal.
What he wants is to put the Jews in Israel under the thumb of a majority Muslim government that's made up of people who have been trying to slaughter the Jews for the last 60 years.
Why don't you be honest about that O'Keefed?
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That you tried to whitewash the anti-Semitism and nut-baggery of the quy who was quoted? Most definitely.HHusky said:
Did you somehow disprove what I said?SFGbob said:
Just a "child of Palestinians, married to an Israeli lead[ing] a cause that involves Israel" right O'Keefed?DJDuck said:Omar Barghouti
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/omar-barghouti/
“Barghouti’s father was a founding member of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964. “The PLO,” Omar recalls, “was very much part of our family [and] … our upbringing.”
“In a February 2015 talk sponsored by an SJP chapter in Portland, Oregon, Barghouti accused the United States and Israel of having secretly conspired to foment Islamic terrorism in order to create a pretext for military intervention and mass killings in the Muslim world. Said Barghouti: “We think that the U.S. and Israel are benefiting a lot from this ISIS phenomenon… Regardless [of] whether … the U.S. intelligence community created the beginnings of ISIS, well, they created [the] Taliban, they created Al-Qaeda, so why not ISIS? I mean, after all, who created bin Laden? It was the U.S. in Afghanistan…. We don’t have conclusive evidence. Regardless, who’s benefiting from ISIS? One thing is for sure: The tens of thousands of victims of ISIS are brown Muslim Arabs, predominantly.”
