Johnny Wilson to the Ducks

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

So it was the Fresno State game that won you over then? Great.

But, here, you are simply wrong.

As for QB, Minshew was better last year than Herbert, and nobody has ever labeled him first round talent. Get bent with this shit. Herbert was average at best. Just because a kid can make an NFL dime throw once in 8 tries doesn't make him a great QB. Herbert is NOT a great QB. He's just a physically gifted kid. There's a difference. Vinny Testatarde was a physically gifted freak of an athlete and found ways to lose games that Steve Walsh, who had a noodle for an arm, would win with his eyes closed.

You should teach an selective reasoning 101 class. You're good.

NFL scouts said Herbert would have been in consideration for the #1 overall draft pick had he come out last draft. That's a fact. Point is, he's a far superior talent for a new head coach to work with than Manny Wilkins was.

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

ASU Talent = + or - Oregon Talent. Oregon had a physically more gifted (not better) QB; ASU had the top receiver in the draft, and another one who was better than anybody Oregon had. Mitchell got his numbers because he's the only guy Herbert could throw to. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this out. Long hand. Because the QB/Receiver point has been settled.

Oh, it was a fully healthy thing now? I see. Oregon lost Sewell and Warmack in the first half. Then lost Carlberg for targeting. Good teams have depth. I guess Peterman didn't plan for that or something? Shit happens to every team. Buckle up buttercup. It's football. Next I suppose you'll come at me with it was the Weffs' fault.

You know how I can tell you're losing badly? You bring up 50 other things that don't relate, at all, to what we're discussing. Winners square up and take it head on. Losers dodge. I used your exact words in exactly analogous situations. You lost.

Mic drop.

Herbert is and was better than Wilkins. I already proved that. Look at their NFL draft projections for the last draft. Herbert a projected top-10 pick, Wilkins an UDFA. The experts in the sport have spoken and they say Herbert is way better than Wilkins.

UW's losses to injury were far greater than Oregon's. UW didn't have a talent advantage over Oregon at that point in the season and still should have easily won the game on the road, with Oregon having two weeks to prepare. It's not an excuse and they still should have won the game but the talent advantage UW should have had was greatly diminished. That is reality and indisputable.

I'm addressing everything you say retard. Even when you continue to avoid the main point and take the discussion on some retarded tangent. Cristobal is a mediocre coach until proven otherwise. Petersen, Shaw, Kelly, Leach, and Whittingham have already proven themselves to be better coaches than him. He has a lot to prove and the Pac-12 will not be an easy conference of Oregon to win any time soon because of the quality coaching in this conference. You have yet to provide a substantial argument as to why or how Oregon will be easily beating most Pac-12 teams in the near future.

You are no match for me intellectually.

StrongArmCobra said:

IPukeOregonGrellow said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

The three regular season games UW lost were by a combined 10 points moron.

IPukeOregonGrellow said:

StrongArmCobra said:

IPukeOregonGrellow said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

The three regular season games UW lost were by a combined 10 points moron.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

lawsandl said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

ASU Talent = + or - Oregon Talent. Oregon had a physically more gifted (not better) QB; ASU had the top receiver in the draft, and another one who was better than anybody Oregon had. Mitchell got his numbers because he's the only guy Herbert could throw to. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this out. Long hand. Because the QB/Receiver point has been settled.

Oh, it was a fully healthy thing now? I see. Oregon lost Sewell and Warmack in the first half. Then lost Carlberg for targeting. Good teams have depth. I guess Peterman didn't plan for that or something? Shit happens to every team. Buckle up buttercup. It's football. Next I suppose you'll come at me with it was the Weffs' fault.

You know how I can tell you're losing badly? You bring up 50 other things that don't relate, at all, to what we're discussing. Winners square up and take it head on. Losers dodge. I used your exact words in exactly analogous situations. You lost.

Mic drop.

Herbert is and was better than Wilkins. I already proved that. Look at their NFL draft projections for the last draft. Herbert a projected top-10 pick, Wilkins an UDFA. The experts in the sport have spoken and they say Herbert is way better than Wilkins.

UW's losses to injury were far greater than Oregon's. UW didn't have a talent advantage over Oregon at that point in the season and still should have easily won the game on the road, with Oregon having two weeks to prepare. It's not an excuse and they still should have won the game but the talent advantage UW should have had was greatly diminished. That is reality and indisputable.

I'm addressing everything you say retard. Even when you continue to avoid the main point and take the discussion on some retarded tangent. Cristobal is a mediocre coach until proven otherwise. Petersen, Shaw, Kelly, Leach, and Whittingham have already proven themselves to be better coaches than him. He has a lot to prove and the Pac-12 will not be an easy conference of Oregon to win any time soon because of the quality coaching in this conference. You have yet to provide a substantial argument as to why or how Oregon will be easily beating most Pac-12 teams in the near future.

You are no match for me intellectually.

I hate to tell you this, but I actually stopped reading right there.

You are owned until you prove, in long hand, how Oregon was more talented than ASU last season, or until I say otherwise.

Your reasoning was applied consistently to Washington's losses, and to ASU's loss to Fresno, and you had, and have, no answer.

Mic drop.

And again, I already did. Oregon's roster was made up of five recruiting classes that were all ranked ahead of ASU's and they had a massive talent advantage at the QB position. No other position can make a bigger difference than QB for a new head coach and Mario was gifted a top-10 talent by Helfrich. Both teams went 5-4 in conference play. ASU was picked to finish last in the South. Herm exceeded expectations more that Mario and finished with the same conference record with less talent to work with. There's nothing there for you to argue. The facts are on my side. Recruiting class rankings = advantage Oregon. QB talent = advantage Oregon. Oregon was the more talented team last season.

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Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!

Oregon had two running backs that were frosh and didn’t deserve to start. Every wide receiver was a turd outside Mitchell. Harry and Enos were elite. Wilkins was a productive college qb.

I am not saying ASU was more talented. Edwards had a lot to work with. He has a tougher job this year than last.

And Cristobal had a much better O-line with four, three-year starters on it to work with. Herm was more impressive last season.

Nope. 7-6 is 7-6. Just like winning is winning, right? Right.

Oregon went through their 3rd HC in 4 years. One B+ receiver. Two running backs nobody's ever heard of. No TEs. Not to mention a horrible defense. Their QB, who you like so much, has yet to play a complete game and gives you one good pass every 8 attempts.

Whatever differences in overall team talent are imperceptible. And, he lost to Fresno State, a team that surely has more talent than ASU, right? Right.

No, he wasn't. Mario beat him, and lost two fewer games, and since you're into moral victories, he constructively lost 3 fewer games.

Mario > Edwards in 2018.

Herm was way more impressive last season than Cristobal. It's not even close. Oregon's games against WSU and Arizona were unacceptable performances given Oregon's talent compared to those programs. Fresno State is coached by Jeff Tedford, another really good coach who's better than Cristobal. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Mario won more games. That's retarded. Mario went 5-4 in Pac-12 play, same as Herm at ASU, but Cristobal has more talent to work with and higher expectations than Herm in his first season.

Washington's games against Cal and Oregon were unacceptable performances given Washington's talent and supposed coaching superiority compared to those programs. Oregon is coached by a meathead Cuban guy with boobs, a really shitty coach who's not as good as Peterman. You don't get to ignore the talent gap and coaching disparity between the two programs and just say Washington is a good team because they won more games. That's retarded.

ASU's game against Fresno State was an unacceptable performance given ASU's talent compared to that program. You don't get to ignore the talent gap between the two programs and just say Herm is a good coach. That's retarded.

PS: Oregon's talent advantage over ASU was negligible, if at all. Oregon had all kinds of personnel holes last season. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this one out, long hand.

Also, Fresno State? I don't care if Nick Saban is coaching. Inexcusable.

Herm was better than Cristobal and it's not even close.

Petersen is the winningest head coach in the country. That speaks for itself. Had UW been fully healthy against Oregon and Cal last season they probably would have gone undefeated in conference play. UW's talent advantage was negated in those games by injuries to Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Hunter Bryant, and Trey Adams. Pretty much our four best players on offense were injured and Chico McClatcher was also taking a personal leave from the team. That's UW's five best players on offense right there. Shit happens.

Stop saying the talent difference between Oregon and ASU was negligible you retard. It wasn't. One team had a top-10 pick at QB and the other had an UDFA. That's a huge difference. That's like Jake Locker versus Jake Browning. If Petersen had a Junior Jake Locker to work with last season UW would have gone 13-0 and to the playoffs.

ASU Talent = + or - Oregon Talent. Oregon had a physically more gifted (not better) QB; ASU had the top receiver in the draft, and another one who was better than anybody Oregon had. Mitchell got his numbers because he's the only guy Herbert could throw to. I'm afraid you're going to have to prove this out. Long hand. Because the QB/Receiver point has been settled.

Oh, it was a fully healthy thing now? I see. Oregon lost Sewell and Warmack in the first half. Then lost Carlberg for targeting. Good teams have depth. I guess Peterman didn't plan for that or something? Shit happens to every team. Buckle up buttercup. It's football. Next I suppose you'll come at me with it was the Weffs' fault.

You know how I can tell you're losing badly? You bring up 50 other things that don't relate, at all, to what we're discussing. Winners square up and take it head on. Losers dodge. I used your exact words in exactly analogous situations. You lost.

Mic drop.

Herbert is and was better than Wilkins. I already proved that. Look at their NFL draft projections for the last draft. Herbert a projected top-10 pick, Wilkins an UDFA. The experts in the sport have spoken and they say Herbert is way better than Wilkins.

UW's losses to injury were far greater than Oregon's. UW didn't have a talent advantage over Oregon at that point in the season and still should have easily won the game on the road, with Oregon having two weeks to prepare. It's not an excuse and they still should have won the game but the talent advantage UW should have had was greatly diminished. That is reality and indisputable.

I'm addressing everything you say retard. Even when you continue to avoid the main point and take the discussion on some retarded tangent. Cristobal is a mediocre coach until proven otherwise. Petersen, Shaw, Kelly, Leach, and Whittingham have already proven themselves to be better coaches than him. He has a lot to prove and the Pac-12 will not be an easy conference of Oregon to win any time soon because of the quality coaching in this conference. You have yet to provide a substantial argument as to why or how Oregon will be easily beating most Pac-12 teams in the near future.

You are no match for me intellectually.

I hate to tell you this, but I actually stopped reading right there.

You are owned until you prove, in long hand, how Oregon was more talented than ASU last season, or until I say otherwise.

Your reasoning was applied consistently to Washington's losses, and to ASU's loss to Fresno, and you had, and have, no answer.

Mic drop.

And again, I already did. Oregon's roster was made up of five recruiting classes that were all ranked ahead of ASU's and they had a massive talent advantage at the QB position. No other position can make a bigger difference than QB for a new head coach and Mario was gifted a top-10 talent by Helfrich. Both teams went 5-4 in conference play. ASU was picked to finish last in the South. Herm exceeded expectations more that Mario and finished with the same conference record with less talent to work with. There's nothing there for you to argue. The facts are on my side. Recruiting class rankings = advantage Oregon. QB talent = advantage Oregon. Oregon was the more talented team last season.