A random mass shooter question
For reference, here are the regs for WA:
https://www.usacarry.com/washington_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
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Not that I can recall. CCW people on the whole are extremely law abiding. Arrest rate is minuscule. In fact last time I saw it it was lower than for law enforcement.YellowSnow said:Does any one know if any of the mass shooters in the past 20 years or so were licensed to conceal and carry? In other words, had any of them gone through this licensing process?
For reference, here are the regs for WA:
https://www.usacarry.com/washington_concealed_carry_permit_information.html -
Tons of them:
http://concealedcarrykillers.org/mass-shootings-committed-by-concealed-carry-killers/
I have not validated that info so no idea if it is true or not, but I do know the last entry for the Navy Yard killer is accurate - he had CCW, so I assume it's somewhat accurate. Still, by total numbers of those killed over the last 15 years it's got to be a small percentage. Also, I do not think all CCW are created the same - i.e. there are some "Shall Issue" states, so no idea how that plays into this. -
Conceal carry deserves extra scrutiny because you're out there with a gun. I could pass the check but I shouldn't be driving with a gun.
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So let me ask you and @Sledog this: Do you feel CCW permitting process is a violation of 2A rights?Swaye said:Tons of them:
http://concealedcarrykillers.org/mass-shootings-committed-by-concealed-carry-killers/
I have not validated that info so no idea if it is true or not, but I do know the last entry for the Navy Yard killer is accurate - he had CCW, so I assume it's somewhat accurate. Still, by total numbers of those killed over the last 15 years it's got to be a small percentage. Also, I do not think all CCW are created the same - i.e. there are some "Shall Issue" states, so no idea how that plays into this. -
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Fagging out the thread.Sledog said: -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/26/people-with-concealed-carry-permits-have-committed-at-least-29-mass-shootings-since-2007/?noredirect=on
Don't trust the Washington Compost but this is what they say: 29 CCWs have committed mass shootings (3 or more?) between 2007-2015. So, an almost statistically insignificant number (not to those killed obviously but trying to use maff here) in the total number of shootings over that time period.
In short, it would seem that CCW screening clears out lots of potential crazies. 29 over 9 years is basically 3 incidents per year. All states. That is a very small number when taken in context. The linked article says itself that hundreds of mass shooting take place each year nationwide (gang related on a bunch of them I'd imagine?). -
Nope. Not one bit for me. I quite like it. Look, for home defense and all the "bulwark against unchecked aggression" stuff from yesterday, for guns you will be keeping at home, the government can fuck off (after the required NCIS check and aforementioned mental health checks), but carrying a gun out and about requires a different layer of scrutiny to me. And training. I can't speak for other states, but Virginia requires a safety and ethics class. And there are tons of rules you have to understand - this isn't a stand your ground state so you must *try* to flee or back away from any potential conflict first. So you must understand your requirements to carry a weapon. I am fine with people being held to a higher standard than home use. I don't want backwoods dipshits toting guns around WalMart.YellowSnow said:
So let me ask you and @Sledog this: Do you feel CCW permitting process is a violation of 2A rights?Swaye said:Tons of them:
http://concealedcarrykillers.org/mass-shootings-committed-by-concealed-carry-killers/
I have not validated that info so no idea if it is true or not, but I do know the last entry for the Navy Yard killer is accurate - he had CCW, so I assume it's somewhat accurate. Still, by total numbers of those killed over the last 15 years it's got to be a small percentage. Also, I do not think all CCW are created the same - i.e. there are some "Shall Issue" states, so no idea how that plays into this. -
I would guess the vast vast majority of people open carrying ARs fall into this caregory.Swaye said:
I don't want backwoods dipshits toting guns around WalMart.
