The world needs ditch diggers too
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The vast number of stupid people clogging college campuses is a disgrace. Then again college hasn't been about education in decades.
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My dad told me I'd end up as a ditch digger.
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It's a disgrace that we've told kids that aren't college material that they need to go to college to attain a middle class standard of living. You don't need a college degree to be a welder or drive a bus and yet you can support a family on these professions a lot more than you can majoring in sociology at Evergreen St.Swaye said:The vast number of stupid people clogging college campuses is a disgrace. Then again college hasn't been about education in decades.
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"How about a Fresca, Hmmm, Hmmmm?"
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Race was the first to bring it up here that college is so expensive because we lend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to wayward kids whom many of them are just trying to postpone adulthood. The demand is high so the tuition is high.
I say we need to turn our whole "higher'" education system on it's ear. No more loans out of high school.
If you get a 2.5 or better in HS and have good attendance, you can get free CC for 2 years or trade school if you are low income. With a graduating scale of cost based on parents household income/kid ratio.
If you do well in CC, say a 3.5 or better, than you can qualify for grants and loans to the big boy/girl school or advanced trade/vocational training.
By then both the taxpayer and the student can make informed decisions as to whether the student is worthy of the thousands of dollars given. And whether the student really wants to follow through and take on the debt.
There would still be the kids that could go to 4 year due to college funds and what not. That's fine, it's their dime. But this would lower the cost of tuition at 4 year university simply by lowering demand to an organic sustainable level.
Private school can still private school. As long as less than 5% of their operating costs come from public monies, than they can continue as they are. -
The 2 sectors of the economisy (besides housing) that have vastly outpaced chinflation are college academis and healthcare. They also happen two sectors of the economisy vastly distorted by gobs of money being given to consumers to buy stuff. Free or cheap money always causes massive inflation.salemcoog said:Race was the first to bring it up here that college is so expensive because we lend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to wayward kids whom many of them are just trying to postpone adulthood. The demand is high so the tuition is high.
I say we need to turn our whole "higher'" education system on it's ear. No more loans out of high school.
If you get a 2.5 or better in HS and have good attendance, you can get free CC for 2 years or trade school if you are low income. With a graduating scale of cost based on parents household income/kid ratio.
If you do well in CC, say a 3.5 or better, than you can qualify for grants and loans to the big boy/girl school or advanced trade/vocational training.
By then both the taxpayer and the student can make informed decisions as to whether the student is worthy of the thousands of dollars given. And whether the student really wants to follow through and take on the debt.
There would still be the kids that could go to 4 year due to college funds and what not. That's fine, it's their dime. But this would lower the cost of tuition at 4 year university simply by lowering demand to an organic sustainable level.
Private school can still private school. As long as less than 5% of their operating costs come from public monies, than they can continue as they are. -
Careful, you guys are starting to sound like me.YellowSnow said:
The 2 sectors of the economisy (besides housing) that have vastly outpaced chinflation are college academis and healthcare. They also happen two sectors of the economisy vastly distorted by gobs of money being given to consumers to buy stuff. Free or cheap money always causes massive inflation.salemcoog said:Race was the first to bring it up here that college is so expensive because we lend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to wayward kids whom many of them are just trying to postpone adulthood. The demand is high so the tuition is high.
I say we need to turn our whole "higher'" education system on it's ear. No more loans out of high school.
If you get a 2.5 or better in HS and have good attendance, you can get free CC for 2 years or trade school if you are low income. With a graduating scale of cost based on parents household income/kid ratio.
If you do well in CC, say a 3.5 or better, than you can qualify for grants and loans to the big boy/girl school or advanced trade/vocational training.
By then both the taxpayer and the student can make informed decisions as to whether the student is worthy of the thousands of dollars given. And whether the student really wants to follow through and take on the debt.
There would still be the kids that could go to 4 year due to college funds and what not. That's fine, it's their dime. But this would lower the cost of tuition at 4 year university simply by lowering demand to an organic sustainable level.
Private school can still private school. As long as less than 5% of their operating costs come from public monies, than they can continue as they are. -
Jeebus. I knew what marketplace distortions were before I met ye, Bot.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Careful, you guys are starting to sound like me.YellowSnow said:
The 2 sectors of the economisy (besides housing) that have vastly outpaced chinflation are college academis and healthcare. They also happen two sectors of the economisy vastly distorted by gobs of money being given to consumers to buy stuff. Free or cheap money always causes massive inflation.salemcoog said:Race was the first to bring it up here that college is so expensive because we lend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to wayward kids whom many of them are just trying to postpone adulthood. The demand is high so the tuition is high.
I say we need to turn our whole "higher'" education system on it's ear. No more loans out of high school.
If you get a 2.5 or better in HS and have good attendance, you can get free CC for 2 years or trade school if you are low income. With a graduating scale of cost based on parents household income/kid ratio.
If you do well in CC, say a 3.5 or better, than you can qualify for grants and loans to the big boy/girl school or advanced trade/vocational training.
By then both the taxpayer and the student can make informed decisions as to whether the student is worthy of the thousands of dollars given. And whether the student really wants to follow through and take on the debt.
There would still be the kids that could go to 4 year due to college funds and what not. That's fine, it's their dime. But this would lower the cost of tuition at 4 year university simply by lowering demand to an organic sustainable level.
Private school can still private school. As long as less than 5% of their operating costs come from public monies, than they can continue as they are. -
Yeah but now it becomes racistsalemcoog said:Race was the first to bring it up here that college is so expensive because we lend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to wayward kids whom many of them are just trying to postpone adulthood. The demand is high so the tuition is high.
I say we need to turn our whole "higher'" education system on it's ear. No more loans out of high school.
If you get a 2.5 or better in HS and have good attendance, you can get free CC for 2 years or trade school if you are low income. With a graduating scale of cost based on parents household income/kid ratio.
If you do well in CC, say a 3.5 or better, than you can qualify for grants and loans to the big boy/girl school or advanced trade/vocational training.
By then both the taxpayer and the student can make informed decisions as to whether the student is worthy of the thousands of dollars given. And whether the student really wants to follow through and take on the debt.
There would still be the kids that could go to 4 year due to college funds and what not. That's fine, it's their dime. But this would lower the cost of tuition at 4 year university simply by lowering demand to an organic sustainable level.
Private school can still private school. As long as less than 5% of their operating costs come from public monies, than they can continue as they are.
Can't expect minorities to get good gpas -
Race wasn’t the first. It’s basic stuff. Except HondoFS wouldn’t grasp it.salemcoog said:Race was the first to bring it up here that college is so expensive because we lend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to wayward kids whom many of them are just trying to postpone adulthood. The demand is high so the tuition is high.
I say we need to turn our whole "higher'" education system on it's ear. No more loans out of high school.
If you get a 2.5 or better in HS and have good attendance, you can get free CC for 2 years or trade school if you are low income. With a graduating scale of cost based on parents household income/kid ratio.
If you do well in CC, say a 3.5 or better, than you can qualify for grants and loans to the big boy/girl school or advanced trade/vocational training.
By then both the taxpayer and the student can make informed decisions as to whether the student is worthy of the thousands of dollars given. And whether the student really wants to follow through and take on the debt.
There would still be the kids that could go to 4 year due to college funds and what not. That's fine, it's their dime. But this would lower the cost of tuition at 4 year university simply by lowering demand to an organic sustainable level.
Private school can still private school. As long as less than 5% of their operating costs come from public monies, than they can continue as they are.
