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RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,692 Founders Club
ICE imprisons US citizens

Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


#Winning argument
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Yeah, you definitely don’t remember.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,692 Founders Club
    Still don't

    Thanks Obama
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    Still don't

    Thanks Obama

    No Medicare even at your advanced age? That wasn't Obama. You are old enough to remember the Ballard Meteors game
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,692 Founders Club
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    Fuck off

    fuck off
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    Lets blame the consumer for the high costs instead of the drug companies and the politicians that they pay off every election cycle.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    Let's force everyone to accept your lifestyle

    Fuck off fascist
    OK, keep going with your no fucking insurance
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    Lets blame the consumer for the high costs instead of the drug companies and the politicians that they pay off every election cycle.
    personally I am waiting for the singularity when machines do all of this at next to no cost. But, I won't live that long.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,635 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,635 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    I do. Shitty healthcare for all sucks. It should just be shitty for people like you that won't pay.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470
    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Forever...

    https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Performance/Wait-Times-for-Surgeries-and-Procedures/Wait-Times-for-Other-Surgeries-and-Procedures/Time-from-Decision-to-Having-Surgery-or-Procedure
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.

  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.

    Obama hardly created this dumpster fire. He tried to build atop a broken system.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.

    Obama hardly created this dumpster fire. He tried to build atop a broken system.

  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.

    Obama hardly created this dumpster fire. He tried to build atop a broken system.

    I'm not a progressive. I'm a far-center.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,034 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.

    Obama hardly created this dumpster fire. He tried to build atop a broken system.

    I'm not a progressive. I'm a far-center.
    Gutless little worm.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    lol
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,417 Founders Club
    edited July 2019

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.

    Obama hardly created this dumpster fire. He tried to build atop a broken system.
    Ask me how we? know you are a buffoon?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,635 Standard Supporter
    GDS said:

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Forever...

    https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Performance/Wait-Times-for-Surgeries-and-Procedures/Wait-Times-for-Other-Surgeries-and-Procedures/Time-from-Decision-to-Having-Surgery-or-Procedure
    This will be the second time he has had to seek surgery in the US or wait and suffer for many months in Canada. He's fortunate enough to be able to afford it.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,635 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2019

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    ICE imprisons US citizens

    Let's give the government health care and every other part of our life


    #Winning argument

    One time you said you had no insurance.
    Love the mindset here. Race said one time that he didn’t have health insurance and in the mind of a parasite that means Race should support government run healthcare.
    Well, look. If most everybody lost 20-40 pounds, didn't smoke or do opiods, wore seatbelts, "government run" healthcare like in the UK would work fine. It's not going to be very consumer friendly, but if something bad like cancer struck, it would get treated. In Europe they have better results and pay far far far less on the whole. Eventually technology will do more, and drive down costs, so less manual health care. The result is universal access at low cost. You don't have to suffer from incredibly high prices and low accessibility. That's bullshit.
    My Canadian friend is looking to have hernia surgery here in the states because the wait is forever to get anything not life threatening done. Fuck that Shit!
    Who cares?
    Great progressive pathos, as always.
    the point is that americans don't take of themselves, 2/3 of us are overweight or fucking obese, we go to the Dr too much
    I'm confused. Pro, or con, self-determinism?
    Nihilism. Most of the time, doctors don't really do much you can't already do for yourself. Americans take poor care of their health being overweight, so heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. If you buy health insurance on the open market it's like a mortgage payment. The system itself is badly broken all the way through. The best thing to do is have everybody lose weight, don't go to the doctor so much, and don't feed the health industry beast.

    Obama hardly created this dumpster fire. He tried to build atop a broken system.

    I'm not a progressive. I'm a far-center.
    Did you mean Far left of center? Mao thinned down millions to nothing. But then I'd bet you're a big supporter of Mao.