Rats opposition to playing the race card sure didn't last long

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

The thing about this thread is that it's been made more black and white than it need be.

I think most people who aren't complete fucking imbeciles would say that Trump's comment was at least ill-advised, if not outright stupid. It's the very kind of comment that would alienate a centrist supporter because it at least smacks of xenophobia.

Otherwise, it's just another ringing of the bell of nationalism. While nationalism can often include race-based components, they are not mutually inclusive.

If they'd been white men from Germany and he said "go back to where you came from" we wouldn't be talking about this. Would he say that to a bunch of white German dudes? Probably not.

There's little doubt in my mind that Trump harbors some racial shit in his mind due to his age alone. If we're being honest, it's very, very common, including among minority groups. But that suspicion doesn't magically transform what he said into racism.

Trump . . . is an inarticulate boob.

This is a defense of the POTUS. New normal.

RaceBannon said:

Trump would tell Bernie to go back to the Soviet Union rather easily

The Squad loves to use their labels on themselves. First PLO congresswoman, first terrorist congresswoman, first Brooklyn congresswoman etc and etc

He should have singled out Omar and let her have it. This country brought her in, gave her a new life and elected her to Congress and she does nothing but trash it and the Jews that run it. Little humor there

She's a terrorist sympathizer and she can cry all she wants about racism and that isn't going to change

Agree, Omar's the worst of the bunch.

creepycoug said:

The thing about this thread is that it's been made more black and white than it need be.

I think most people who aren't complete fucking imbeciles would say that Trump's comment was at least ill-advised, if not outright stupid. It's the very kind of comment that would alienate a centrist supporter because it at least smacks of xenophobia.

Otherwise, it's just another ringing of the bell of nationalism. While nationalism can often include race-based components, they are not mutually inclusive.

If they'd been white men from Germany and he said "go back to where you came from" we wouldn't be talking about this. Would he say that to a bunch of white German dudes? Probably not.

There's little doubt in my mind that Trump harbors some racial shit in his mind due to his age alone. If we're being honest, it's very, very common, including among minority groups. But that suspicion doesn't magically transform what he said into racism.

It was Nationalist AF. And that’s what his supporters want. I’m not a love-it, or leave-it person, but I think it’s fair rhetoric for a snotty ungrateful little cunt like Omar who constantly bashes the country that saved her ass from certain miserable death. That’s who Trump was aimed at, primarily, because she’s been the worst offender. Tlaib has referred to Palestine as “where her family is from” and Palestinians “my people” hundreds of times, so the confusion on that is excusable. I don’t think Trump gives two shits about AOC, and her mistakes and lies make her fair game, too.

Lots of centrists agreed with the Shithole countries comments too, as harsh as they may seem. Everything bad that happens in the third world countries is not the fault of the US. The corruption, nepotism, drugs, violence, poverty and pollution in many of those war-torn places make them shitholes, with or without anything the US does. So if they continue to play that card, they’re doomed to failure.

51 hours, and counting. Tick-Tock.

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

The thing about this thread is that it's been made more black and white than it need be.

I think most people who aren't complete fucking imbeciles would say that Trump's comment was at least ill-advised, if not outright stupid. It's the very kind of comment that would alienate a centrist supporter because it at least smacks of xenophobia.

Otherwise, it's just another ringing of the bell of nationalism. While nationalism can often include race-based components, they are not mutually inclusive.

If they'd been white men from Germany and he said "go back to where you came from" we wouldn't be talking about this. Would he say that to a bunch of white German dudes? Probably not.

There's little doubt in my mind that Trump harbors some racial shit in his mind due to his age alone. If we're being honest, it's very, very common, including among minority groups. But that suspicion doesn't magically transform what he said into racism.

It was Nationalist AF. And that’s what his supporters want. I’m not a love-it, or leave-it person, but I think it’s fair rhetoric for a snotty ungrateful little cunt like Omar who constantly bashes the country that saved her ass from certain miserable death. That’s who Trump was aimed at, primarily, because she’s been the worst offender. Tlaib has referred to Palestine as “where her family is from” and Palestinians “my people” hundreds of times, so the confusion on that is excusable. I don’t think Trump gives two shits about AOC, and her mistakes and lies make her fair game, too.

Lots of centrists agreed with the Shithole countries comments too, as harsh as they may seem. Everything bad that happens in the third world countries is not the fault of the US. The corruption, nepotism, drugs, violence, poverty and pollution in many of those war-torn places make them shitholes, with or without anything the US does. So if they continue to play that card, they’re doomed to failure.

51 hours, and counting. Tick-Tock.

I don't disagree. Like others, I think he could have been more clever and used a different phrase with less historical loading. His most ardent fans would have been just as pleased if he'd just told them they're stupid and to fuck off.