Mason West, 6'4, 240 lb, 3* 2020 TE, La Habra, CA (Committed)

LaMichael_Corleone said:

CallMeBigErn said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

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GreenRiverGatorz said:

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GreenRiverGatorz said:

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FKA_Mousecop said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

Why do we continue to enable Paopao and Gregory?

PaoPao sucks, but to be disappointed because he got Yurosek and Redman would be stupid.

Yurosek is a great athlete but he's stiffer than a fence post. He has no wiggle with the ball in his hands like Redman and Taylor do. There's a gap between those two and Yurosek and then another gap between Yurosek and this kid.

When it comes to tight ends, "wiggle" is way down the list of attributes I give a fuck about.

It's literally the one thing that separates the greats from the average at the position. JAG TE's catch the ball and get tackled. The greats make guys miss and break tackles and turn short gains into explosive plays and touchdowns.

Sure. A guy like Witten with zero moves is going to be a first ballot hall of famer, but wiggle is what separates the goods from greats. Yurosek is going to be 6'5" 250 when he sees the field. I don't care if he can't juke for shit at that size. You probably want all your quarterbacks to have six packs too.

Witten is the Wes Welker of Tight Ends. But sure, everybody prefers stiff guys over more athletic guys right? I'm sure Yurosek will be a future hall of famer like Witten right? You would take Witten over Gronk or Travis Kelce right? Logic is hard for you.

I would take any of those three. What a fucking stupid question.

Oh my god you're so dumb. The point is, the chances of some stiff, lesser athlete becoming the next Jason Witten are extremely low. If you had the choice of between a stiff and a fluid athlete coming out of high school, you want the better athlete every time.

Cade Otton is a "stiff". It's pretty much the fucking definition of WTE. No one is arguing about your last point. Go ahead and take a few plays off.

Just because someone is white doesn't mean they don't have wiggle.

Have you been under the impression this entire time that "WTE" literally refers to the player's race?

Personally, I know WTE means something, but I don't know what. Warrior Tight End? I also know that BTE means something and I don't know what. Berserker Tight End? If you haven't read the board for years you don't understand half the shit that gets thrown out in here. It's a good ol' boys club and someone needs to make a glossary.

WTE: Blocking TE
BTE: Athletic Mismatch TE


Prominent WTE: Kizer, Dissly, Sample

Prominent BTE: Hunter, Jeremy Stevens, THE LATE GREAT ROD JONES (RIP POUR SOME OUT), ASJ, Travis Kelce

“Because parents read these” you can be both. Mark REDMAN is 100% hands down without a doubt a BTE, but he has an amazing nasty edge that he blocks with much like Gronk (no whoosh) giving him a WTE card while still being a BTE. Mark Redman is a 6’6 Dev Culp.


Sample had some BTE in him that was wasted by Jake and Jake only (don’t you dare come after MY BUSH) but he is the definition of a WTE. Hunter is the definition of a BTE. Otton’s film shows he’s more BTE than he is WTE until he physically matures. By his Junior year he’ll be the best WTE in the country


(BTW This is by far my favorite game to play on here, A black guy trying to explain how BTE/WTE isn’t defined by race but yet style of play while trying not to sound racist trying to describe the descriptions of skill sets which is basically just stereotyping therefore being racist then using opposite examples that will confuse the hell out of the person questioning)

whatshouldicareabout said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

CallMeBigErn said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

FKA_Mousecop said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

Why do we continue to enable Paopao and Gregory?

PaoPao sucks, but to be disappointed because he got Yurosek and Redman would be stupid.

Yurosek is a great athlete but he's stiffer than a fence post. He has no wiggle with the ball in his hands like Redman and Taylor do. There's a gap between those two and Yurosek and then another gap between Yurosek and this kid.

When it comes to tight ends, "wiggle" is way down the list of attributes I give a fuck about.

It's literally the one thing that separates the greats from the average at the position. JAG TE's catch the ball and get tackled. The greats make guys miss and break tackles and turn short gains into explosive plays and touchdowns.

Sure. A guy like Witten with zero moves is going to be a first ballot hall of famer, but wiggle is what separates the goods from greats. Yurosek is going to be 6'5" 250 when he sees the field. I don't care if he can't juke for shit at that size. You probably want all your quarterbacks to have six packs too.

Witten is the Wes Welker of Tight Ends. But sure, everybody prefers stiff guys over more athletic guys right? I'm sure Yurosek will be a future hall of famer like Witten right? You would take Witten over Gronk or Travis Kelce right? Logic is hard for you.

I would take any of those three. What a fucking stupid question.

Oh my god you're so dumb. The point is, the chances of some stiff, lesser athlete becoming the next Jason Witten are extremely low. If you had the choice of between a stiff and a fluid athlete coming out of high school, you want the better athlete every time.

Cade Otton is a "stiff". It's pretty much the fucking definition of WTE. No one is arguing about your last point. Go ahead and take a few plays off.

Just because someone is white doesn't mean they don't have wiggle.

Have you been under the impression this entire time that "WTE" literally refers to the player's race?

Personally, I know WTE means something, but I don't know what. Warrior Tight End? I also know that BTE means something and I don't know what. Berserker Tight End? If you haven't read the board for years you don't understand half the shit that gets thrown out in here. It's a good ol' boys club and someone needs to make a glossary.

WTE: Blocking TE
BTE: Athletic Mismatch TE


Prominent WTE: Kizer, Dissly, Sample

Prominent BTE: Hunter, Jeremy Stevens, THE LATE GREAT ROD JONES (RIP POUR SOME OUT), ASJ, Travis Kelce

“Because parents read these” you can be both. Mark REDMAN is 100% hands down without a doubt a BTE, but he has an amazing nasty edge that he blocks with much like Gronk (no whoosh) giving him a WTE card while still being a BTE. Mark Redman is a 6’6 Dev Culp.


Sample had some BTE in him that was wasted by Jake and Jake only (don’t you dare come after MY BUSH) but he is the definition of a WTE. Hunter is the definition of a BTE. Otton’s film shows he’s more BTE than he is WTE until he physically matures. By his Junior year he’ll be the best WTE in the country


(BTW This is by far my favorite game to play on here, A black guy trying to explain how BTE/WTE isn’t defined by race but yet style of play while trying not to sound racist trying to describe the descriptions of skill sets which is basically just stereotyping therefore being racist then using opposite examples that will confuse the hell out of the person questioning)

We could use the standard terminology of Y-TE (as in X, Y, Z) and H-TE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-back)

dhdawg said:

animate said:

dhdawg said:

Ruth sure doesn't like criticism of POWPOW

So, the only guy on a one year "show me something" contract is supposed to be left alone?

Ruth is nuts.

If she says take it easy then that means up the pressure.

#neverforget Ruth rampaging against posters who said that it appeared lubick was on his way out 2 days before he "retired"

KrunkJuice said:

So according to Roof we are going to try and take a 3rd TE after West. Looking just at uncommitted TE's at 247 you have:

#10/670 - Connor O'Toole from New Mexico (90 ranking according to 247) Listed at 6'3 - 210.
#29/NA - Alex Hines from Arizona (4 CB's to Utah)
#53/NA - Jake Overman from Anaheim (Trending heavy to Babushka St.)
#67/NA- Sterling Stokes form Oakland (Bishop O'Dowd) 82 ranking
#71/NA - Michael Ambagtsheer from San Diego

Every uncommitted TE is in Texas or East of it. It is slim pickens. This is not going to end well.

KrunkJuice said:

So according to Roof we are going to try and take a 3rd TE after West. Looking just at uncommitted TE's at 247 you have:

#10/670 - Connor O'Toole from New Mexico (90 ranking according to 247) Listed at 6'3 - 210.
#29/NA - Alex Hines from Arizona (4 CB's to Utah)
#53/NA - Jake Overman from Anaheim (Trending heavy to Babushka St.)
#67/NA- Sterling Stokes form Oakland (Bishop O'Dowd) 82 ranking
#71/NA - Michael Ambagtsheer from San Diego

Every uncommitted TE is in Texas or East of it. It is slim pickens. This is not going to end well.

GrundleStiltzkin said:

https://twitter.com/Dennis_BDTW/status/1145878180483477505

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Lol stop with the Drew Sample comparisons. Sample was way more athletic in high school. He was faster and a better receiver than this kid. This is a fucking reach until proven otherwise. Just tell it like it is.

They're ranked roughly the same and, like Sample, West had to attend Pete's June camp in order to earn an offer (and that was Pete's camp at Boise, who knows if Sample would have gotten a UW offer as quickly).

They're very close to the same size and build too.

It's a pretty natural comp.

StrongArmCobra said:

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Lol stop with the Drew Sample comparisons. Sample was way more athletic in high school. He was faster and a better receiver than this kid. This is a fucking reach until proven otherwise. Just tell it like it is.

They're ranked roughly the same and, like Sample, West had to attend Pete's June camp in order to earn an offer (and that was Pete's camp at Boise, who knows if Sample would have gotten a UW offer as quickly).

They're very close to the same size and build too.

It's a pretty natural comp.

LMAO STOOOOOOOOP IT!!! I can't take it anymore. Doog overload. Just watch Sample's high school film. It's night and day between the two. This is the slowest TE we've taken since Kizer and he's not even a nasty blocker. Fuck off with this doog shit. The only comparisons you can make are they're both white and around the same size in high school and have similar 3-star rankings as recruits. Natural comp my ass. You could say the same shit about most of the TE recruits in the country.

I'm sure you've spent hours comparing Sample's junior tape to West's junior tape.

One thing is certain, West is much closer to Drew Sample 2.0 than Trey Lowe is to Barry Sanders 2.0.

No he's really not. Trey Lowe's high school film is better than Barry Sanders' high school film. Lowe was incredibly elusive.

It's fucking hilarious how you idiots talk a big game about wanting elite talent and settling for JAGs in unacceptable but as soon as it actual happens and a likely JAG commits you transform into super doogs. He's not close to Drew Sample at all. He's closer to Kizer than Sample.