5 New Lies: Obamacare...
thefederalist.com/2014/02/04/5-devastating-obamacare-facts-from-cbos-latest-economic-report/
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The 2.5 million figure was false.
It didn't mean 2.5 million jobs, it meant work time.
Keeping you honest. -
This implies he was honest to begin with.CollegeDoog said:The 2.5 million figure was false.
It didn't mean 2.5 million jobs, it meant work time.
Keeping you honest.
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Its 2 million jobs so it's cool.
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Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same. -
I wondered who would swallow the Obama spin. No surprise here.
Its great news
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Should a youtube of swallowing be inserted here?
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So labor will be taxed to the point people will chose not to work. That's pretty cool. Sounds like the very simple idea that if the government wants to discourage something, the should tax it high enough so people won't do it/buy it. Labor falls into this category. Who knew?
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Praise Be To Allah.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
Obama will see the promised land of taxing the fuck out of people to the point they no longer wish to work.
They will then be forced onto government programs to meet their bills!
The 1% will need to kick in more ...
2.5 million hours not worked ... that is 62,500 full time jobs ... vanished away from the workplace. -
They probably don't teach John F. Kennedy, Dec 14, 1962, at Middlebury School for the Retarded.CollegeDoog said:
The 1% will need to kick in more ...
youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8 -
Race, you don't understand... the costs and impacts on unemployment caused by Obamacare will NEVER be "adjusted upward".RaceBannon said:Its 2 million jobs so it's cool.
If you "LIKE" your negative impacts of Obamacare, you can KEEP your negative impacts of Obamacare, PERIOD! -
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world. -
But we HAD to pass it to find out what's in it...IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world. -
Way to quote something I didn't write.death2ducks said:
They probably don't teach John F. Kennedy, Dec 14, 1962, at Middlebury School for the Retarded.CollegeDoog said:
The 1% will need to kick in more ...
youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8
El oh el.
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NOGAF. You thought it.CollegeDoog said:
Way to quote something I didn't write.death2ducks said:
They probably don't teach John F. Kennedy, Dec 14, 1962, at Middlebury School for the Retarded.CollegeDoog said:
The 1% will need to kick in more ...
youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8
El oh el.
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Press. I. N. G.death2ducks said:
NOGAF. You thought it.CollegeDoog said:
Way to quote something I didn't write.death2ducks said:
They probably don't teach John F. Kennedy, Dec 14, 1962, at Middlebury School for the Retarded.CollegeDoog said:
The 1% will need to kick in more ...
youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8
El oh el. -
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.
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Listen up everyone. You can't run a business if you happen to like playing NCAA Football 2014CollegeDoog said:
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.
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CollegeDoog said:
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.
Great response.
That's OK, your generation is lost already and I have given up hope. Just continue to soak up all that propaganda from your profs who most likely haven't spend 1 day working in the REAL world.
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fixed.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Listen up everyone. YouCollegeDoog said:
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.can't run a businessare wasting mommy and daddy's money if youhappen to like playing NCAA Football 2014spend all your time in here. -
The real world during Global Warming...IrishDawg22 said:CollegeDoog said:
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.
Great response.
That's OK, your generation is lost already and I have given up hope. Just continue to soak up all that propaganda from your profs who most likely haven't spend 1 day working in the REAL world.
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wtfdeath2ducks said:
The real world during Global Warming...IrishDawg22 said:CollegeDoog said:
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.
Great response.
That's OK, your generation is lost already and I have given up hope. Just continue to soak up all that propaganda from your profs who most likely haven't spend 1 day working in the REAL world.
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I don't think he's even trying anymore.dnc said:
wtfdeath2ducks said:
The real world during Global Warming...IrishDawg22 said:CollegeDoog said:
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.
Great response.
That's OK, your generation is lost already and I have given up hope. Just continue to soak up all that propaganda from your profs who most likely haven't spend 1 day working in the REAL world. -
Not obvious enough? It's the real world of Middlebury, Vermont.death2ducks said:
The real world during Global Warming...IrishDawg22 said:CollegeDoog said:
You play EA Sports NCAA Football 2014 and tailgate in the zone. No one believes you run a business. Nice try.IrishDawg22 said:
Unfortunately this number does not include the number of FTEs who have already seen a reduction of hours. They probably don't teach this in the classroom, and you rarely hear it from either side of the aisle or reported in the "news", but many companies have been working on their FT/PT ratios since the affordable car act was announced. Our company started making the change back in 2011. At one time you used to be able to roll your P/T employees from 31-40 hours as long as their avg did not go above 32hrs/per week for a rolling period. I know several companies who have set a hard line of 28hrs for their P/T employees. So there are a lot of folks who have lost anywhere from 12-40 hours of employment per month.CollegeDoog said:Here's the language from the actual CBO report:
"The reduction in CBO's projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024."
and...this is what most media outlets missed:
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive."
So no, it's not 2.5 million jobs. Workers, especially low wage, will choose to supply less labor, but the business demand for labor will stay the same.
The majority of my P/T work force is made up of students (parents coverage), spouses (family coverage) or active duty military/retired military (already covered) who would trade hours for medical coverage any day of the week.
So you are correct, the number is false. I would say it should be closer to 3.5m FTEs who have been effected by this since it was first talked about.
There is no question our health care system needed to be fixed, but Obamacare is just making things worse in the real world.
Great response.
That's OK, your generation is lost already and I have given up hope. Just continue to soak up all that propaganda from your profs who most likely haven't spend 1 day working in the REAL world.
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