Gentle Giant update

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-costco-shooting-off-duty-lapd-officer-20190617-story.html

Not so gentle giant?

Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.

I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.

Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.

I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.

You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.

No I'm not.

Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?

I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.

Do you?

Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?

Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.

Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.

You missed the point entirely ... YOU are the government as a cop dodo. You're the state. You should know this.

Lawsuits are a full degree or more removed over the immediate power a Cop can exert over someone, and a doc mistake is inapposite to the analsyis.

Neither has the ability to initiate search and seizure and arrest. You don't ever have to go near a doctor if you don't want to. Attorneys don't routinely file random lawsuits against someone they bump into in the street. A lawyer can't pull you over or stop you for questioning or arrest you.

I'm assuming you're aware of the doctrine of probable cause and search incident to arrest right? If a Cop has good reason to believe that a crime has been committed, they can normally make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant. Right?

We're not talking about who will ultimately prevail in a court of law (thank God for those). We're talking about Officer Asshole being able to stop, harass and arrest you and introduce a little trauma into your day if he wants to be a dick. That's power Bucko.

Don't be defensive. If you weren't that kind of Cop, say so and shut up.

Lawsuits destroy people financially.

Never arrested anyone who didn't deserve it. The big difference is how people can influence an officers decision in the case of misdemeanors.

False arrests were not a problem. That's what supervisors are for.

Never any need to make anything up. That's mostly BS on the part of the supposed victims. Ask anyone in prison. They didn't do it.

Ok! I think we're done here.

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-costco-shooting-off-duty-lapd-officer-20190617-story.html

Not so gentle giant?

Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.

I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.

Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.

I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.

You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.

No I'm not.

Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?

I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.

Do you?

Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?

Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.

Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.

You missed the point entirely ... YOU are the government as a cop dodo. You're the state. You should know this.

Lawsuits are a full degree or more removed over the immediate power a Cop can exert over someone, and a doc mistake is inapposite to the analsyis.

Neither has the ability to initiate search and seizure and arrest. You don't ever have to go near a doctor if you don't want to. Attorneys don't routinely file random lawsuits against someone they bump into in the street. A lawyer can't pull you over or stop you for questioning or arrest you.

I'm assuming you're aware of the doctrine of probable cause and search incident to arrest right? If a Cop has good reason to believe that a crime has been committed, they can normally make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant. Right?

We're not talking about who will ultimately prevail in a court of law (thank God for those). We're talking about Officer Asshole being able to stop, harass and arrest you and introduce a little trauma into your day if he wants to be a dick. That's power Bucko.

Don't be defensive. If you weren't that kind of Cop, say so and shut up.

Lawsuits destroy people financially.

Sometimes. OJ certainly was hurt financially.

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-costco-shooting-off-duty-lapd-officer-20190617-story.html

Not so gentle giant?

Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.

I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.

Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.

I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.

You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.

No I'm not.

Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?

I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.

Do you?

Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?

Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.

Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.

You missed the point entirely ... YOU are the government as a cop dodo. You're the state. You should know this.

Lawsuits are a full degree or more removed over the immediate power a Cop can exert over someone, and a doc mistake is inapposite to the analsyis.

Neither has the ability to initiate search and seizure and arrest. You don't ever have to go near a doctor if you don't want to. Attorneys don't routinely file random lawsuits against someone they bump into in the street. A lawyer can't pull you over or stop you for questioning or arrest you.

I'm assuming you're aware of the doctrine of probable cause and search incident to arrest right? If a Cop has good reason to believe that a crime has been committed, they can normally make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant. Right?

We're not talking about who will ultimately prevail in a court of law (thank God for those). We're talking about Officer Asshole being able to stop, harass and arrest you and introduce a little trauma into your day if he wants to be a dick. That's power Bucko.

Don't be defensive. If you weren't that kind of Cop, say so and shut up.

Lawsuits destroy people financially.

Sometimes. OJ certainly was hurt financially.

Not quite as bad as those other two were hurt.

Financially?