We don't need no stinkin reparations
Comments
-
I mean I'm not really pro reparations but there's no denying that there are people still benefiting from the ramifications of slavery and people still suffering from the ramifications thereof. It's not as simple as saying "you were never a slave".SFGbob said:There are all kinds of "worst aspects" regarding reparations. Transferring wealth from people who had nothing to do with slavery to people who were never slaves is another one of many.
I'd be pro reparations if I thought it would actually fix anything. The wounds of slavery are too deep to simply throw money at it and think it will go away though. -
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for said presodent.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist. -
It would be, but that isn't what he said.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
"We tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war, by passing landmark civil rights legislation, elected an African American president," Barack Obama, in 2008, McConnell said. "I don't think we should be trying to figure out how to compensate for it. First of all, it would be hard to figure out whom to compensate."
Unless you also think he was saying that the Civil War was a form of reparations. He is listing how far we have come and what we have already done to address our "original sin" and that we now shouldn't be trying to figure out a way to further "compensate" for that original sin.
-
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for said presodent.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist. -
Saying we elected a black president to address the original sin of slavery isn't calling it reparations but it's just as FS.SFGbob said:
It would be, but that isn't what he said.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
"We tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war, by passing landmark civil rights legislation, elected an African American president," Barack Obama, in 2008, McConnell said. "I don't think we should be trying to figure out how to compensate for it. First of all, it would be hard to figure out whom to compensate."
Unless you also think he was saying that the Civil War was a form of reparations. He is listing how far we have come and what we have already done to address our "original sin" and that we now shouldn't be trying to figure out a way to further "compensate" for that original sin. -
If people also think that reparations are going to help bridge the racial divide, they are retarded. Are you telling me poor white people in the South are going to go for this (Even if the funds are coming from only the rich)? Also, they won't just voice their concerns, you potentially could have full on violent racial warfare. That would be good for nobody.dnc said:
I mean I'm not really pro reparations but there's no denying that there are people still benefiting from the ramifications of slavery and people still suffering from the ramifications thereof. It's not as simple as saying "you were never a slave".SFGbob said:There are all kinds of "worst aspects" regarding reparations. Transferring wealth from people who had nothing to do with slavery to people who were never slaves is another one of many.
I'd be pro reparations if I thought it would actually fix anything. The wounds of slavery are too deep to simply throw money at it and think it will go away though. -
How do you quantify the "ramifications" and how do you work out form of compensation for those ramifications? How do you compensate people for slavery who were never slaves?dnc said:
I mean I'm not really pro reparations but there's no denying that there are people still benefiting from the ramifications of slavery and people still suffering from the ramifications thereof. It's not as simple as saying "you were never a slave".SFGbob said:There are all kinds of "worst aspects" regarding reparations. Transferring wealth from people who had nothing to do with slavery to people who were never slaves is another one of many.
I'd be pro reparations if I thought it would actually fix anything. The wounds of slavery are too deep to simply throw money at it and think it will go away though. -
"I'm not really for reparations."SFGbob said:
How do you quantify the "ramifications" and how do you work out form of compensation for those ramifications? How do you compensate people for slavery who were never slaves?dnc said:
I mean I'm not really pro reparations but there's no denying that there are people still benefiting from the ramifications of slavery and people still suffering from the ramifications thereof. It's not as simple as saying "you were never a slave".SFGbob said:There are all kinds of "worst aspects" regarding reparations. Transferring wealth from people who had nothing to do with slavery to people who were never slaves is another one of many.
I'd be pro reparations if I thought it would actually fix anything. The wounds of slavery are too deep to simply throw money at it and think it will go away though.
hth -
Would Obama have won in 1968?GreenRiverGatorz said:
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for saidgreenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist.
The country has made massive improvements in race relations and electing Obama is concrete proof. -
You don't think there was an element of that in Obama's election? I recall Tom Hanks claiming it was one of the reasons he was going to vote for Obama.dnc said:
Saying we elected a black president to address the original sin of slavery isn't calling it reparations but it's just as FS.SFGbob said:
It would be, but that isn't what he said.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
"We tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war, by passing landmark civil rights legislation, elected an African American president," Barack Obama, in 2008, McConnell said. "I don't think we should be trying to figure out how to compensate for it. First of all, it would be hard to figure out whom to compensate."
Unless you also think he was saying that the Civil War was a form of reparations. He is listing how far we have come and what we have already done to address our "original sin" and that we now shouldn't be trying to figure out a way to further "compensate" for that original sin.
https://youtu.be/UsHNvM8QB4o -
Things are worse than everTurdBomber said:
Would Obama have won in 1968?GreenRiverGatorz said:
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for saidgreenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist.
The country has made massive improvements in race relations and electing Obama is concrete proof.
Biden needs to get elected -
You don't think it's a sign of our progress? Am I the only one that remembers 2008 because I recall hearing non-stop how it was a sign of our progress.GreenRiverGatorz said:
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for said presodent.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist. -
I couldn't get past the "3/5 of a human being" comment.SFGbob said:
You don't think there was an element of that in Obama's election? I recall Tom Hanks claiming it was one of the reasons he was going to vote for Obama.dnc said:
Saying we elected a black president to address the original sin of slavery isn't calling it reparations but it's just as FS.SFGbob said:
It would be, but that isn't what he said.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
"We tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war, by passing landmark civil rights legislation, elected an African American president," Barack Obama, in 2008, McConnell said. "I don't think we should be trying to figure out how to compensate for it. First of all, it would be hard to figure out whom to compensate."
Unless you also think he was saying that the Civil War was a form of reparations. He is listing how far we have come and what we have already done to address our "original sin" and that we now shouldn't be trying to figure out a way to further "compensate" for that original sin.https://youtu.be/UsHNvM8QB4o
The misapplication of the 3/5 compromise blows my mind.
If it wasn't for the 3/5 compromise we may have never been able to abolish slavery. Counting blacks as 3/5 of a person rather than a whole person was by far the best thing the Constitution did for the black cause.
People who don't understand this shouldn't comment on it. -
Fine, you're not for them. But you just said there are people who are benefiting and people suffering from the "ramifications." Okay, so how would we quantify the ramifications? I'm asking you a question I'm not claiming you're favor of them.dnc said:
"I'm not really for reparations."SFGbob said:
How do you quantify the "ramifications" and how do you work out form of compensation for those ramifications? How do you compensate people for slavery who were never slaves?dnc said:
I mean I'm not really pro reparations but there's no denying that there are people still benefiting from the ramifications of slavery and people still suffering from the ramifications thereof. It's not as simple as saying "you were never a slave".SFGbob said:There are all kinds of "worst aspects" regarding reparations. Transferring wealth from people who had nothing to do with slavery to people who were never slaves is another one of many.
I'd be pro reparations if I thought it would actually fix anything. The wounds of slavery are too deep to simply throw money at it and think it will go away though.
hth -
The Throbber is Irish - I want my fucking check from the Brits - goddamned oppressors.
-
I don't know how one would quantify it. I don't think there's a way to ever be accurate on it let alone precise. That doesn't mean we should deny such ramifications exist.SFGbob said:
Fine, you're not for them. But you just said there are people who are benefiting and people suffering from the "ramifications." Okay, so how would we quantify the ramifications? I'm asking you a question I'm not claiming you're favor of them.dnc said:
"I'm not really for reparations."SFGbob said:
How do you quantify the "ramifications" and how do you work out form of compensation for those ramifications? How do you compensate people for slavery who were never slaves?dnc said:
I mean I'm not really pro reparations but there's no denying that there are people still benefiting from the ramifications of slavery and people still suffering from the ramifications thereof. It's not as simple as saying "you were never a slave".SFGbob said:There are all kinds of "worst aspects" regarding reparations. Transferring wealth from people who had nothing to do with slavery to people who were never slaves is another one of many.
I'd be pro reparations if I thought it would actually fix anything. The wounds of slavery are too deep to simply throw money at it and think it will go away though.
hth -
I hear he knows how to work with segregationists.RaceBannon said:
Things are worse than everTurdBomber said:
Would Obama have won in 1968?GreenRiverGatorz said:
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for saidgreenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist.
The country has made massive improvements in race relations and electing Obama is concrete proof.
Biden needs to get elected -
Yeah, I agree that the one-for-one (or 3 for 1) analogy is pretty dumb.dnc said:
Saying we elected a black president to address the original sin of slavery isn't calling it reparations but it's just as FS.SFGbob said:
It would be, but that isn't what he said.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
"We tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war, by passing landmark civil rights legislation, elected an African American president," Barack Obama, in 2008, McConnell said. "I don't think we should be trying to figure out how to compensate for it. First of all, it would be hard to figure out whom to compensate."
Unless you also think he was saying that the Civil War was a form of reparations. He is listing how far we have come and what we have already done to address our "original sin" and that we now shouldn't be trying to figure out a way to further "compensate" for that original sin. -
I didn't deny it. But if there is no way to quantify it and you can't even tell me what these "ramifications" are then why is the Congress even holding this hearing?dnc said:
I don't know how one would quantify it. I don't think there's a way to ever be accurate on it let alone precise. That doesn't mean we should deny such ramifications exist.SFGbob said:
Fine, you're not for them. But you just said there are people who are benefiting and people suffering from the "ramifications." Okay, so how would we quantify the ramifications? I'm asking you a question I'm not claiming you're favor of them.dnc said:
"I'm not really for reparations."SFGbob said:
How do you quantify the "ramifications" and how do you work out form of compensation for those ramifications? How do you compensate people for slavery who were never slaves?dnc said:
I mean I'm not really pro reparations but there's no denying that there are people still benefiting from the ramifications of slavery and people still suffering from the ramifications thereof. It's not as simple as saying "you were never a slave".SFGbob said:There are all kinds of "worst aspects" regarding reparations. Transferring wealth from people who had nothing to do with slavery to people who were never slaves is another one of many.
I'd be pro reparations if I thought it would actually fix anything. The wounds of slavery are too deep to simply throw money at it and think it will go away though.
hth -
Does anyone outside of Kentucky even like Mitch McConell? I know conservatives think he's too liberal, liberals think he's an asshole, Trump has vacillated on him. How tf is he still running the GOP Senate?Nobody else wants the jerb?
-
Agreed, very common left wing talking point. The South would have been more than happy to count slaves as whole persons for purposes of apportionment. But most liberals are dumb parrots, what are you going to do?dnc said:
I couldn't get past the "3/5 of a human being" comment.SFGbob said:
You don't think there was an element of that in Obama's election? I recall Tom Hanks claiming it was one of the reasons he was going to vote for Obama.dnc said:
Saying we elected a black president to address the original sin of slavery isn't calling it reparations but it's just as FS.SFGbob said:
It would be, but that isn't what he said.greenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
"We tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war, by passing landmark civil rights legislation, elected an African American president," Barack Obama, in 2008, McConnell said. "I don't think we should be trying to figure out how to compensate for it. First of all, it would be hard to figure out whom to compensate."
Unless you also think he was saying that the Civil War was a form of reparations. He is listing how far we have come and what we have already done to address our "original sin" and that we now shouldn't be trying to figure out a way to further "compensate" for that original sin.https://youtu.be/UsHNvM8QB4o
The misapplication of the 3/5 compromise blows my mind.
If it wasn't for the 3/5 compromise we may have never been able to abolish slavery. Counting blacks as 3/5 of a person rather than a whole person was by far the best thing the Constitution did for the black cause.
People who don't understand this shouldn't comment on it. -
There are ramifications from Jim Crow because after the war and slavery there were decades of the same indoctrination of Black inferiority and white supremacy that there was to justify slavery.
Both Blacks and Whites were effected. Some remnants remain. We joke about it in sports. Film room guy. Natural athlete etc.
Not so funny in real life. In the 60s you had overt racists and well meaning ignorant racists.
As time has gone by there are more ignorant than overt left.
The solution is to keep educating and not lose sight of the ultimate goal
Segregation of aid by color is a step back IMO
I go back to the Jesse Jackson of the 80s. Be a victor not a victim. I am somebody. I'm Black and I'm proud. Say it loud
Messages matter.
I'm available to testify to Congress -
He's done a horrible job.dnc said:Does anyone outside of Kentucky even like Mitch McConell? I know conservatives think he's too liberal, liberals think he's an asshole, Trump has vacillated on him. How tf is he still running the GOP Senate?Nobody else wants the jerb?
-
Other than with Judges I agree.RaceBannon said:
He's done a horrible job.dnc said:Does anyone outside of Kentucky even like Mitch McConell? I know conservatives think he's too liberal, liberals think he's an asshole, Trump has vacillated on him. How tf is he still running the GOP Senate?Nobody else wants the jerb?
-
Didn't say otherwise. The irony is that McConnell is literally the last person who should be touting the accomplishment.TurdBomber said:
Would Obama have won in 1968?GreenRiverGatorz said:
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for saidgreenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist.
The country has made massive improvements in race relations and electing Obama is concrete proof. -
I believe he is touting it as an accomplishment for the country not him personally. Is McConnell not allowed to speak on the topic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
Didn't say otherwise. The irony is that McConnell is literally the last person who should be touting the accomplishment.TurdBomber said:
Would Obama have won in 1968?GreenRiverGatorz said:
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for saidgreenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist.
The country has made massive improvements in race relations and electing Obama is concrete proof. -
RaceBannon said:
There are ramifications from Jim Crow because after the war and slavery there were decades of the same indoctrination of Black inferiority and white supremacy that there was to justify slavery.
Both Blacks and Whites were effected. Some remnants remain. We joke about it in sports. Film room guy. Natural athlete etc. Articulate (most racist in my opinion)
Not so funny in real life. In the 60s you had overt racists and well meaning ignorant racists.
As time has gone by there are more ignorant than overt left.
The solution is to keep educating and not lose sight of the ultimate goal
Segregation of aid by color is a step back IMO
I go back to the Jesse Jackson of the 80s. Be a victor not a victim. I am somebody. I'm Black and I'm proud. Say it loud
Messages matter.
I'm available to testify to Congress -
RaceBannon said:
There are ramifications from Jim Crow because after the war and slavery there were decades of the same indoctrination of Black inferiority and white supremacy that there was to justify slavery.
Both Blacks and Whites were effected. Some remnants remain. We joke about it in sports. Film room guy. Natural athlete etc.
Not so funny in real life. In the 60s you had overt racists and well meaning ignorant racists.
As time has gone by there are more ignorant than overt left.
The solution is to keep educating and not lose sight of the ultimate goal
Segregation of aid by color is a step back IMO
I go back to the Jesse Jackson of the 80s. Be a victor not a victim. I am somebody. I'm Black and I'm proud. Say it loud
Messages matter.
I'm available to testify to Congress
Congress is busy with other testimony today....or not.
-
His response to Stewart on the 9/11 responders issue was proof that he doesn't give a shit and his job is safe. There is no "winning" on that issue, a politician who's still running for something would merely take the lumps and make sure the bill gets passed. Let it die in the news cycle. But McConnell doesn't give a fuck, and he doesn't care how much of an ass he makes of himself. He's the Roger Goodell of Congress.dnc said:Does anyone outside of Kentucky even like Mitch McConell? I know conservatives think he's too liberal, liberals think he's an asshole, Trump has vacillated on him. How tf is he still running the GOP Senate?Nobody else wants the jerb?
-
Was responding to @dnc. But, okay.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Didn't say otherwise. The irony is that McConnell is literally the last person who should be touting the accomplishment.TurdBomber said:
Would Obama have won in 1968?GreenRiverGatorz said:
McConnell trying to use Obama as proof of the country's progress is hysterically ironic even by McConnell standards.dnc said:
Especially when you're Mitch McConnell and there's no way in fucking hell you voted for saidgreenblood said:To say electing a black president is a form of reparations is stupid. It's just as stupid as being pro reparations in the first place.
Neither did I, don't twist.
The country has made massive improvements in race relations and electing Obama is concrete proof.
