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https://foxnews.com/us/california-man-killed-in-costco-shooting-was-nonverbal-had-intellectual-disability-family-says
The man who was shot and killed by an off-duty Los Angeles police officer at a Costco in Southern California on Friday was known as a "gentle giant" who was mentally disabled and couldn't have started an argument that led to the deadly confrontation, his cousin said Sunday.
The Corona Police Department said 32-year-old Kenneth French from Riverside was shot dead after he allegedly "assaulted the officer while the officer was holding his young child," which led to the cop firing his weapon, striking French and two other family members who were critically wounded.
But his cousin, Rick Shureih, disputes the account released by authorities, telling the Press-Enterprise that French was "non-violent, non-aggressive, nonverbal" and a "gentle giant."
“He’s not the kind to trade words, so I don’t believe that a verbal confrontation happened," he told the paper.
We're going to need to see the game film on this one. At a Costco there has to be plenty of video
The man who was shot and killed by an off-duty Los Angeles police officer at a Costco in Southern California on Friday was known as a "gentle giant" who was mentally disabled and couldn't have started an argument that led to the deadly confrontation, his cousin said Sunday.
The Corona Police Department said 32-year-old Kenneth French from Riverside was shot dead after he allegedly "assaulted the officer while the officer was holding his young child," which led to the cop firing his weapon, striking French and two other family members who were critically wounded.
But his cousin, Rick Shureih, disputes the account released by authorities, telling the Press-Enterprise that French was "non-violent, non-aggressive, nonverbal" and a "gentle giant."
“He’s not the kind to trade words, so I don’t believe that a verbal confrontation happened," he told the paper.
We're going to need to see the game film on this one. At a Costco there has to be plenty of video
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I remember the last gentle giant. He got shot with his hands up while running away after robbing a liquor store.
I'll wait for the video. -
I thought this was about @YellowSnow
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Sledog is Lennie Small's bastard child
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I’m more like a giant sucker at Costco and can’t say no on all the awesome deals. One time some months after the downfall of BDTW I bumped into @CokeGreaterThanPepsi with like $600 of groceries in the cart. Think how much Bud Light and Parliament Cigs you could buy for $600 Bitch Fork.Pitchfork51 said:I thought this was about @YellowSnow
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Whatever broYellowSnow said:
I’m more like a giant sucker at Costco and can’t say no on all the awesome deals. One time some months after the downfall of BDTW I bumped into @CokeGreaterThanPepsi with like $600 of groceries in the cart. Think how much Bud Light and Parliament Cigs you could buy for $600 Bitch Fork.Pitchfork51 said:I thought this was about @YellowSnow
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8327 eggs to be precise at Costco price of $4.29 per 60 pack. I can’t even eat 50 eggs in a week.Pitchfork51 said:
Whatever broYellowSnow said:
I’m more like a giant sucker at Costco and can’t say no on all the awesome deals. One time some months after the downfall of BDTW I bumped into @CokeGreaterThanPepsi with like $600 of groceries in the cart. Think how much Bud Light and Parliament Cigs you could buy for $600 Bitch Fork.Pitchfork51 said:I thought this was about @YellowSnow
That's like a million eggs and chicken with the occasional taco bell -
3 in the morning. If I'm hungry at night I poach a few.YellowSnow said:
8327 eggs to be precise at Costco price of $4.29 per 60 pack. I can’t even eat 50 eggs in a week.Pitchfork51 said:
Whatever broYellowSnow said:
I’m more like a giant sucker at Costco and can’t say no on all the awesome deals. One time some months after the downfall of BDTW I bumped into @CokeGreaterThanPepsi with like $600 of groceries in the cart. Think how much Bud Light and Parliament Cigs you could buy for $600 Bitch Fork.Pitchfork51 said:I thought this was about @YellowSnow
That's like a million eggs and chicken with the occasional taco bell
Probably about 25 a week I go through
It ain't easy brah -
YellowSnow said:
8327 eggs to be precise at Costco price of $4.29 per 60 pack. I can’t even eat 50 eggs in a week.Pitchfork51 said:
Whatever broYellowSnow said:
I’m more like a giant sucker at Costco and can’t say no on all the awesome deals. One time some months after the downfall of BDTW I bumped into @CokeGreaterThanPepsi with like $600 of groceries in the cart. Think how much Bud Light and Parliament Cigs you could buy for $600 Bitch Fork.Pitchfork51 said:I thought this was about @YellowSnow
That's like a million eggs and chicken with the occasional taco bell
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YellowSnow said:
8327 eggs to be precise at Costco price of $4.29 per 60 pack. I can’t even eat 50 eggs in a week.Pitchfork51 said:
Whatever broYellowSnow said:
I’m more like a giant sucker at Costco and can’t say no on all the awesome deals. One time some months after the downfall of BDTW I bumped into @CokeGreaterThanPepsi with like $600 of groceries in the cart. Think how much Bud Light and Parliament Cigs you could buy for $600 Bitch Fork.Pitchfork51 said:I thought this was about @YellowSnow
That's like a million eggs and chicken with the occasional taco bell
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Goddamnit!HardlyClothed said:YellowSnow said:
8327 eggs to be precise at Costco price of $4.29 per 60 pack. I can’t even eat 50 eggs in a week.Pitchfork51 said:
Whatever broYellowSnow said:
I’m more like a giant sucker at Costco and can’t say no on all the awesome deals. One time some months after the downfall of BDTW I bumped into @CokeGreaterThanPepsi with like $600 of groceries in the cart. Think how much Bud Light and Parliament Cigs you could buy for $600 Bitch Fork.Pitchfork51 said:I thought this was about @YellowSnow
That's like a million eggs and chicken with the occasional taco bell -
Thanks. That's really helpful.Sledog said:I remember the last gentle giant. He got shot with his hands up while running away after robbing a liquor store.
I'll wait for the video. -
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
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Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now. -
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now. -
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now. -
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension. -
Sledog hates himself. It's understandable.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension. -
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension. -
I'm not familiar with the "Shoot a civilian" warrant or what causes a judge to sign one.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension. -
Common sense does that and everyone has that right. What kind of law do you practice? Tiddly winks law suites?HHusky said:
I'm not familiar with the "Shoot a civilian" warrant or what causes a judge to sign one.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension. -
Was your retirement your idea?Sledog said:
Common sense does that and everyone has that right. What kind of law do you practice? Tiddly winks law suites?HHusky said:
I'm not familiar with the "Shoot a civilian" warrant or what causes a judge to sign one.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
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Sure was.HHusky said:
Was your retirement your idea?Sledog said:
Common sense does that and everyone has that right. What kind of law do you practice? Tiddly winks law suites?HHusky said:
I'm not familiar with the "Shoot a civilian" warrant or what causes a judge to sign one.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
Billy cheated at tiddly winks and I need a good attorney. Know any?
You still working because you have to? -
Probably sounded better in your head.Sledog said:
Sure was.HHusky said:
Was your retirement your idea?Sledog said:
Common sense does that and everyone has that right. What kind of law do you practice? Tiddly winks law suites?HHusky said:
I'm not familiar with the "Shoot a civilian" warrant or what causes a judge to sign one.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
Billy cheated at tiddly winks and I need a good attorney. Know any?
You still working because you have to? -
It was intended to be as silly as you.HHusky said:
Probably sounded better in your head.Sledog said:
Sure was.HHusky said:
Was your retirement your idea?Sledog said:
Common sense does that and everyone has that right. What kind of law do you practice? Tiddly winks law suites?HHusky said:
I'm not familiar with the "Shoot a civilian" warrant or what causes a judge to sign one.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
Billy cheated at tiddly winks and I need a good attorney. Know any?
You still working because you have to? -
You crossed that bridge a ways back, Cletus.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.
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You missed the point entirely ... YOU are the government as a cop dodo. You're the state. You should know this.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
Lawsuits are a full degree or more removed over the immediate power a Cop can exert over someone, and a doc mistake is inapposite to the analsyis.
Neither has the ability to initiate search and seizure and arrest. You don't ever have to go near a doctor if you don't want to. Attorneys don't routinely file random lawsuits against someone they bump into in the street. A lawyer can't pull you over or stop you for questioning or arrest you.
I'm assuming you're aware of the doctrine of probable cause and search incident to arrest right? If a Cop has good reason to believe that a crime has been committed, they can normally make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant. Right?
We're not talking about who will ultimately prevail in a court of law (thank God for those). We're talking about Officer Asshole being able to stop, harass and arrest you and introduce a little trauma into your day if he wants to be a dick. That's power Bucko.
Don't be defensive. If you weren't that kind of Cop, say so and shut up.
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Lawsuits destroy people financially.creepycoug said:
You missed the point entirely ... YOU are the government as a cop dodo. You're the state. You should know this.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
Lawsuits are a full degree or more removed over the immediate power a Cop can exert over someone, and a doc mistake is inapposite to the analsyis.
Neither has the ability to initiate search and seizure and arrest. You don't ever have to go near a doctor if you don't want to. Attorneys don't routinely file random lawsuits against someone they bump into in the street. A lawyer can't pull you over or stop you for questioning or arrest you.
I'm assuming you're aware of the doctrine of probable cause and search incident to arrest right? If a Cop has good reason to believe that a crime has been committed, they can normally make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant. Right?
We're not talking about who will ultimately prevail in a court of law (thank God for those). We're talking about Officer Asshole being able to stop, harass and arrest you and introduce a little trauma into your day if he wants to be a dick. That's power Bucko.
Don't be defensive. If you weren't that kind of Cop, say so and shut up.
Never arrested anyone who didn't deserve it. The big difference is how people can influence an officers decision in the case of misdemeanors.
False arrests were not a problem. That's what supervisors are for.
Never any need to make anything up. That's mostly BS on the part of the supposed victims. Ask anyone in prison. They didn't do it. -
Sometimes. OJ certainly was hurt financially.Sledog said:
Lawsuits destroy people financially.creepycoug said:
You missed the point entirely ... YOU are the government as a cop dodo. You're the state. You should know this.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
Lawsuits are a full degree or more removed over the immediate power a Cop can exert over someone, and a doc mistake is inapposite to the analsyis.
Neither has the ability to initiate search and seizure and arrest. You don't ever have to go near a doctor if you don't want to. Attorneys don't routinely file random lawsuits against someone they bump into in the street. A lawyer can't pull you over or stop you for questioning or arrest you.
I'm assuming you're aware of the doctrine of probable cause and search incident to arrest right? If a Cop has good reason to believe that a crime has been committed, they can normally make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant. Right?
We're not talking about who will ultimately prevail in a court of law (thank God for those). We're talking about Officer Asshole being able to stop, harass and arrest you and introduce a little trauma into your day if he wants to be a dick. That's power Bucko.
Don't be defensive. If you weren't that kind of Cop, say so and shut up. -
Ok! I think we're done here.Sledog said:
Lawsuits destroy people financially.creepycoug said:
You missed the point entirely ... YOU are the government as a cop dodo. You're the state. You should know this.Sledog said:
Attorneys file lawsuits. I thought you knew that. Doctors make mistakes that kill more people every year than guns many times over. The government has its own law enforcement and they are not your local police. Again I thought you'd know that. Judges give police all their power by signing search warrants, arrest warrants and arraignment hearings. They're actually attorneys. But I thought you'd know that. I'll stop thinking when it comes to you.creepycoug said:
No I'm not.Sledog said:
You're leaving out attorneys the government and doctors.creepycoug said:
I don't think many people think that. I think many people think there is a percentage in the police force that lack good judgment and who, for whatever reason, abuse their power. It's like anything, only the cops can readily interfere in your life in a big way.Sledog said:
Of course. Many think police sit around every night picking out people they don't know exist so they can violate their civil rights.creepycoug said:
Clearly the cop didn't walk in and look for someone to shoot. There is almost always some predicate in these situations. The question is whether deadly force was reasonably necessary. The Devil is in the details. Like Race said, we'll need to go to replay on this one. We all knew what you'd think before opening the thread.Sledog said:
I wonder how this cop likes lawyers now.
Or are you arguing that an attorney or doctor or anyone else that has helped place that rather large chip on your shoulder typically have the same ability as a cop to readily interfere in the course of your day?
I know of no attorneys who have the power of search and seizure or arrest. No docs either.
Do you?
Yes, the government. And who, exactly, do you think does that for the government? By what means does the government exercise that power?
Have you figured it out yet? YOU were the government, my dull-witted friend. That's why the tax payers fund your pension.
Lawsuits are a full degree or more removed over the immediate power a Cop can exert over someone, and a doc mistake is inapposite to the analsyis.
Neither has the ability to initiate search and seizure and arrest. You don't ever have to go near a doctor if you don't want to. Attorneys don't routinely file random lawsuits against someone they bump into in the street. A lawyer can't pull you over or stop you for questioning or arrest you.
I'm assuming you're aware of the doctrine of probable cause and search incident to arrest right? If a Cop has good reason to believe that a crime has been committed, they can normally make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant. Right?
We're not talking about who will ultimately prevail in a court of law (thank God for those). We're talking about Officer Asshole being able to stop, harass and arrest you and introduce a little trauma into your day if he wants to be a dick. That's power Bucko.
Don't be defensive. If you weren't that kind of Cop, say so and shut up.
Never arrested anyone who didn't deserve it. The big difference is how people can influence an officers decision in the case of misdemeanors.
False arrests were not a problem. That's what supervisors are for.
Never any need to make anything up. That's mostly BS on the part of the supposed victims. Ask anyone in prison. They didn't do it.
