Nick Herbig, 4* 2020 OLB, Honolulu (St. Louis), HI (Offered 9/27/18)
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I totally understand this sentiment but the “well find someone better or make someone better” is a very slippery slope that actually entirely devalues the whole exclusive offer that carries more weight because there are less of them.RoadDawg55 said:Not going to read the 58 responses I haven’t checked, but this doesn’t matter. He’s not going to a rival and we’ll find a guy equally good or better. Idwha.
If we just don’t land first offers and say all those guys are a lil overrated, then kids don’t take your first offers seriously and that trickles down. Closing first offers is the only thing holding us back from being the best. -
I know I’m the fuckin bored tardCallMeBigErn said:Thank gawd. Wouldn't want another white guy. That would make the natives restless. Not talking about you, Swaye.
But can we take a moment to talk about how painfully unfunny big Ernie is -
Herbig was a lock...StrongArmCobra said:
Like I said, Botelho was a miss at OLB. I'm not a doog who thinks UW passed on everybody they don't get. I know when UW misses on kids and when they pass. Herbig is a pass. You wanna doubt their ability to get who they want next class, that's fine. I'm just telling you what the strategy is. Like I said, Calvert and Latu are locks and will probably be early commits. Those two alone should put any worry to rest. Brown and Reynolds are not long shots by any means. We're in good shape with ILB recruiting. It's OLB recruiting that needs to be consistently better.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Bumpdirtysouwfdawg said:
We were all super hard on for this kid earlier, I honestly wasn’t but figured he and Tuli would help with bothello, but now we’re going to miss on both and are ok with it?dirtysouwfdawg said:
WDWHA.... 😐StrongArmCobra said:I'm surprised he doesn't have better schools after him. Outside of UW it's Wisconsin, UCLA, and Virginia? That's weird. He's really good, but I think UW began to cool on him the more the 2021 ILB board began to get worked out during the Spring evaluation period. I don't think UW will take an ILB this class. I think that scholarship will go to a position that's more of a need in this class. I think by not taking Herbig in this class, UW could take up to four 2021 ILB's and the talent available to them is mouth watering.
How many ILB’s will be gone after this yr?
My WDWHA was really a WTF
You’re fucking annoying. You go from super hard on for a kid to “WDWHA” and “coaches have a plan, we’ll be ok.”StrongArmCobra said:
No, there are only two position groups in which UW really loaded up on last class and can now afford to be very selective at this class. ILB and D-line.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Are you going to keep saying this for position group after position group?StrongArmCobra said:This is not a fucking miss. We like the 2021 linebackers more than him. We just went from taking three next year to taking four. We traded Herbig for Latu. We're getting Ethan Calvert, Will Latu, Keith Brown, and Trey Reynolds. It will be the best ILB class of all time. Herbig does not matter. You wanted Latu to get the offer and then he did. There is a trade off or opportunity cost for every recruit we take. Passing on Herbig is the opportunity cost of offering Will Latu.
Between those two positions, ILB is the only position that is clearly loaded out West in the 2021 class with kids that UW feels very good about.
As usual, you have to understand the context behind what is specifically going on with ILB recruiting. You can't just look at it in a vacuum and say "there goes UW again missing on one of their top targets." Fucking pay attention, think, and use deductive reasoning. They're taking Latu next class over Herbig this class.
We're fortunate to have a coaching staff that is intelligent and looks ahead to future classes when making recruiting decisions for the present class. They saw the 2020 class being low on D-line talent a year ago and preemptively loaded up in the 2019 class in preparation for that. Other coaching staffs are not thinking ahead like that. You have to get the talent at certain positions while the gettin' is good to maximize the talent you're bringing in. The gettin' is very good for ILB's next class so they can afford to pass on Herbig this class and give that scholarship to another position, possibly a fourth WR.
Anytime things like this don’t go our way, you always have a positive spin; a reason why’ll it’ll be ok. “It was all part of the plan the whole time.”
They are not going to close all 4 of those fuckers next year. They did have a heavy class LY but to now be ok with not hitting on our top targets is top level doog shit.
GTFO with that.
Get some fucking self awareness... get off the interwebs and do some soul searching with Smalls. -
You're not wrong.ZoneUW said:
I know I’m the fuckin bored tardCallMeBigErn said:Thank gawd. Wouldn't want another white guy. That would make the natives restless. Not talking about you, Swaye.
But can we take a moment to talk about how painfully unfunny big Ernie is
Also has a fucking horrendous gif game as well. -
You really should read the 58 responses. They are both informative and eloquentRoadDawg55 said:Not going to read the 58 responses I haven’t checked, but this doesn’t matter. He’s not going to a rival and we’ll find a guy equally good or better. Idwha.
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Its almost like there are multiple variables at play! So complicated I know.PostGameOrangeSlices said:This forum is fucking retarded.
Get white player - Pete hates black people, this guy is okay but sucks, we suck at recruiting, polynesians arent a minority, we suck
Do not get white player - Pete sucks, the assitants suck, we suck at recruiting
DIAFF. All of you -
While I agree we should all DIAFF, you suck at this.PostGameOrangeSlices said:This forum is fucking retarded.
Get white player - Pete hates black people, this guy is okay but sucks, we suck at recruiting, polynesians arent a minority, we suck
Do not get white player - Pete sucks, the assitants suck, we suck at recruiting
DIAFF. All of you
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Your first mistake you made was confusing inside guys with outside guys. They are two very different positions in this defense and are recruited separately by different position coaches.LaMichael_Corleone said:So the coaches dropped a guy even tho they’ve had later offers out on guys who have barely sniffed us in Kourt Williams and McDonald? So who is the guy they’re dropping Herbig for? Flowe? Botelho?
Most of you would say Bruener right? But we haven’t offered hmmmmm I wonder why? Offering Bruener as a legacy who was in the (now infamous) junior day photo would seem like a lock to Herbig huh? Maybe they wanted Herbig to feel like the #1 guy after Botelho left & Bruener would make him question a team who just took 4 ILBs the year before and a legacy. So if we offer Bruener or anyone in this class is Herbig still a drop?
As for the supposed 2021 dream class, who is the player who has been the most discussed as the kid everyone can’t believe UDUB hasn’t offered? Julien Simon. What position is he being recruited at? Inside Linebacker. Seems weird to be offering Latu after Herbig’s commitment if we dropped Herbig. Washington was the one of if not the last of Keith Brown’s 8 offers. He got his UDUB offer after his Visit to his dream hometown school. Why would the coaches put this much into timing of 2021’s first offers if they just missed their first three offers in 2020?
Botelho, Flowe, and Herbig are by far the best three LBs in an ILB class we’ve had in quite some time. Flowe has a really close brother like relationship with Cam Davis and Botelho & Herbig were once licks at the Poly Bowl never even came on an all expenses paid trip to UDUB which is a bigger deal when from Hawaii.
Botelho and McDonald have nothing to do with Herbig because they're OLB recruits for us. UW has not only missed on Botelho at OLB, but Jaden Navarrette (for now) as well. Not to mention the Savell Smalls debacle. OLB recruiting sucks ass right now.
Justin Flowe was always a long shot. He wasn't interested enough so UW moved on. Maybe things will pick back up for him after he sees what UW's defense does this season, but that's just a dream right now.
Herbig was our only ILB recruit for a while. It's obvious UW cooled on him as they began to get out for Spring evaluations and see 2021 kids. He went from all over UW's nuts on Twitter and gushing about UW and Bob Gregory to all Wisconsin rather quickly because UW cooled on him and made that decision a lot easier. They would have brought him in for an official visit for one of these big recruiting weekends this month if they still wanted him. They didn't.
UW only recruited two ILB's in this class. One wasn't interested, they passed on the other, and you're all dramatic about it. We just brought in a loaded ILB class of FIVE guys in the 2019 class. We're fine if we don't take any ILB's in this class.
As far has Julien Simon goes, he has very little ILB film from his Sophomore year. The coaches need to see more to confirm he's what they're looking for at ILB. Also, I don't have any insider info on this but visually the kid's body has not progressed since he was in 8th grade. He needs to get in the weight room and go to work. His arms look weak af. That could be another factor holding up his UW offer. Trey Reynolds can bench press 325 pounds and squat 485 pounds as a 17 year old. That stuff matters not only because we want physically superior athletes, but also because we want guys that work their asses off. Is Julien Simon one of those guys? I don't know. If he is, I hope he gets the offer because he's very talented.
When you see a 4-star ILB recruit working on his academics to specifically EARN a UW offer, that's when you know ILB recruiting is in great shape. As long as UW handles their business on the field and stack their fourth straight 10+ win season on the others, they'll have their way with ILB recruiting for the 2021 class. No worries there. -
3 things seem abundantly clear ...
We’ve taken pretty large ILB numbers the last couple of years so we probably weren’t going after big numbers here this year
We’ve got some promising traction on 2021 guys and looking like a large class is shaping up there ... IF this is the position that Simon is viewed as a best fit it’s quite possible he’s at best 5th on our ILB depth chart at this point in the 2021 class
Herbig’s tune seemed to change quite quickly and that would seem to lead credibility to there being a cooling for whatever reason ... it wouldn’t shock me if we go with a 0 here in the 2020 class -
Botelho was an ILB who was recruited by Gregory and Coach K because they’re not good enough on their own. There’s a reason he was moved to ILB on sites after they spoke to him upon his recent visit with the coaches.StrongArmCobra said:
Your first mistake you made was confusing inside guys with outside guys. They are two very different positions in this defense and are recruited separately by different position coaches.LaMichael_Corleone said:So the coaches dropped a guy even tho they’ve had later offers out on guys who have barely sniffed us in Kourt Williams and McDonald? So who is the guy they’re dropping Herbig for? Flowe? Botelho?
Most of you would say Bruener right? But we haven’t offered hmmmmm I wonder why? Offering Bruener as a legacy who was in the (now infamous) junior day photo would seem like a lock to Herbig huh? Maybe they wanted Herbig to feel like the #1 guy after Botelho left & Bruener would make him question a team who just took 4 ILBs the year before and a legacy. So if we offer Bruener or anyone in this class is Herbig still a drop?
As for the supposed 2021 dream class, who is the player who has been the most discussed as the kid everyone can’t believe UDUB hasn’t offered? Julien Simon. What position is he being recruited at? Inside Linebacker. Seems weird to be offering Latu after Herbig’s commitment if we dropped Herbig. Washington was the one of if not the last of Keith Brown’s 8 offers. He got his UDUB offer after his Visit to his dream hometown school. Why would the coaches put this much into timing of 2021’s first offers if they just missed their first three offers in 2020?
Botelho, Flowe, and Herbig are by far the best three LBs in an ILB class we’ve had in quite some time. Flowe has a really close brother like relationship with Cam Davis and Botelho & Herbig were once licks at the Poly Bowl never even came on an all expenses paid trip to UDUB which is a bigger deal when from Hawaii.
Botelho and McDonald have nothing to do with Herbig because they're OLB recruits for us. UW has not only missed on Botelho at OLB, but Jaden Navarrette (for now) as well. Not to mention the Savell Smalls debacle. OLB recruiting sucks ass right now.
Justin Flowe was always a long shot. He wasn't interested enough so UW moved on. Maybe things will pick back up for him after he sees what UW's defense does this season, but that's just a dream right now.
Herbig was our only ILB recruit for a while. It's obvious UW cooled on him as they began to get out for Spring evaluations and see 2021 kids. He went from all over UW's nuts on Twitter and gushing about UW and Bob Gregory to all Wisconsin rather quickly because UW cooled on him and made that decision a lot easier. They would have brought him in for an official visit for one of these big recruiting weekends this month if they still wanted him. They didn't.
UW only recruited two ILB's in this class. One wasn't interested, they passed on the other, and you're all dramatic about it. We just brought in a loaded ILB class of FIVE guys in the 2019 class. We're fine if we don't take any ILB's in this class.
As far has Julien Simon goes, he has very little ILB film from his Sophomore year. The coaches need to see more to confirm he's what they're looking for at ILB. Also, I don't have any insider info on this but visually the kid's body has not progressed since he was in 8th grade. He needs to get in the weight room and go to work. His arms look weak af. That could be another factor holding up his UW offer. Trey Reynolds can bench press 325 pounds and squat 485 pounds as a 17 year old. That stuff matters not only because we want physically superior athletes, but also because we want guys that work their asses off. Is Julien Simon one of those guys? I don't know. If he is, I hope he gets the offer because he's very talented.
When you see a 4-star ILB recruit working on his academics to specifically EARN a UW offer, that's when you know ILB recruiting is in great shape. As long as UW handles their business on the field and stack their fourth straight 10+ win season on the others, they'll have their way with ILB recruiting for the 2021 class. No worries there.
Please don’t try to educate me on the defense. Cory Littleton pis a starting MIKE in the NFL and played SAM at UDUB. Tevis Bartlett played outside for three years when all of you said he’s an inside guy. Kaho was a slotted at SAM as was Henry To’oto’o despite ILB body types. The best thing about a multiple set defense is that players play multiple variations, positions and learn everything. Pete’s NFL development isn’t just good because he says so, every player is cross trained physically & mentally to play multiple different techniques, not just coasting on what they’re good at.
I HATE position knit picking because it doesn’t matter just like saying Latu is too big to play BUCK. Sign the players you offered without having to go far down the initial list of offers because our coaches are sofa king good on the field that they will get guys in the best spot to succeed (unless it’s Paopao and Gregory)
