One ethno state apparently is not like the other

TurdBomber said:

PurpleThrobber said:

ZoneUW said:

Do you support a white ethnostate? If not, why do you support a Jewish ethnostate but not a white one?

Uhhh...Joobs

ZoneUW said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

ZoneUW said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

ZoneUW said:

BennyBeaver said:

The march, which is returning to Washington after a 12-year hiatus, is seeking to be more radical than its previous version, including LGBTQ people of various races, religions, socioeconomic classes and gender identities, organizers told The Washington Post.

However, pro-Zionist and “nationalist symbols,” including Israeli and Jewish Pride flags, will not be welcomed at the event, organizers said.

Yael Horowitz, a Jewish march organizer, said the ban is a protest against “nations that have specific oppressive tendencies.”

“If someone would show up with an American flag but with the stripes as a rainbow, we would treat it the same way,” she told The Post. “I think what’s getting erased here is pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are very different things.”

The Palestinian flag, however, will be permitted, she added.

“Jewish stars and other identifications and celebrations of Jewishness (yarmulkes, tallit, other expressions of Judaism or Jewishness) are welcome and encouraged,” Ms. Horowitz said in a Facebook message explaining the decision, The Post reported. “We do ask that participants not bring pro-Israel paraphernalia in solidarity with our queer Palestinian friends.”

March organizer Rae Gaines, who is also Jewish, told the Forward that Jewish Pride flags, which are rainbow flags with a Star of David in the middle, are also banned because they too closely resemble the Israel flag.

“The issue [with the Jewish Pride flag] is where the Star of David is positioned in a way that looks like an Israeli flag, it creates an unsafe space,” she said. “It really is a shame that Israel took this symbol of Judaism and turned it into this nationalist symbol. … I understand the Jewish pride flag is a symbol that a lot of Jews have come to embrace, but there are so many other Jewish symbols that we can use to express our Judaism, like a Star of David [on a necklace], like a yarmulke, a tallit.”

Banning Israeli symbols from events advertised as inclusive is not new. In 2017, the Chicago Dyke March came under fire after ejecting three pro-LGBTQ marchers who were waving Jewish Pride flags. Organizers defended their decision by saying the ban was against Zionism, not Jews. Several organizations soon followed suit under the same argument, including Chicago SlutWalk.

Don't waste your time benny, the Bob bros can't separate the state of Israel from the Jewish people in their minds. It requires too much critical thinking.

Wait, you're still defending this after reading the article?

The event organizers are clearly picking and choosing what's offensive based on their own biased beliefs that have nothing to do with the event itself. If you're going to draw a line and say the state of Israel is bad, but the Palestinian Liberation Organization is okay, you're being a bigot. Worried about offending "our Palestinian sisters" but not giving a shit about their Israeli counterparts? Bigoted. I personally don't think it's being driven by antisemitism (more a misguided effort to promote social justice), but I sure as shit couldn't rebuke anyone who does make that claim.

How is it possible for a reasonably intelligent person to have absolutely no grasp of power dynamics?

Gays
Lesbians
transgenders
Palestinians
Mossad Operatives

One of these things is not like the others...

So is that the goal of an LGBT march, compensate for the power dynamics of peoples' heritages? That's a pretty sad deviation from a previously wonderful celebration.

And that doesn't address the fact that the PLO has a track record that is just as heinous as Israel's. That they did so from a position of relative oppression does not excuse murder and terrorism. Yet the organizers explicitly allow that flag to fly.

"PLO has a track record that is just as heinous as Israel's" I don't necessarily disagree with this in theory.

"That they did so from a position of relative oppression does not excuse murder and terrorism."

But if PLO has done things JUST AS HEINOUS, and Israel had more power and backing, how does this go on to justify Israel's actions that you say PLO is responding to in "JUST AS BAD" of a way.

As you point out someone else's hypocrisy, often you are just highlighting your own hypocrisy on the flip side.

TurdBomber said:

PurpleThrobber said:

ZoneUW said:

Do you support a white ethnostate? If not, why do you support a Jewish ethnostate but not a white one?

Uhhh...Joobs

ZoneUW said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

ZoneUW said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

ZoneUW said:

BennyBeaver said:

The march, which is returning to Washington after a 12-year hiatus, is seeking to be more radical than its previous version, including LGBTQ people of various races, religions, socioeconomic classes and gender identities, organizers told The Washington Post.

However, pro-Zionist and “nationalist symbols,” including Israeli and Jewish Pride flags, will not be welcomed at the event, organizers said.

Yael Horowitz, a Jewish march organizer, said the ban is a protest against “nations that have specific oppressive tendencies.”

“If someone would show up with an American flag but with the stripes as a rainbow, we would treat it the same way,” she told The Post. “I think what’s getting erased here is pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are very different things.”

The Palestinian flag, however, will be permitted, she added.

“Jewish stars and other identifications and celebrations of Jewishness (yarmulkes, tallit, other expressions of Judaism or Jewishness) are welcome and encouraged,” Ms. Horowitz said in a Facebook message explaining the decision, The Post reported. “We do ask that participants not bring pro-Israel paraphernalia in solidarity with our queer Palestinian friends.”

March organizer Rae Gaines, who is also Jewish, told the Forward that Jewish Pride flags, which are rainbow flags with a Star of David in the middle, are also banned because they too closely resemble the Israel flag.

“The issue [with the Jewish Pride flag] is where the Star of David is positioned in a way that looks like an Israeli flag, it creates an unsafe space,” she said. “It really is a shame that Israel took this symbol of Judaism and turned it into this nationalist symbol. … I understand the Jewish pride flag is a symbol that a lot of Jews have come to embrace, but there are so many other Jewish symbols that we can use to express our Judaism, like a Star of David [on a necklace], like a yarmulke, a tallit.”

Banning Israeli symbols from events advertised as inclusive is not new. In 2017, the Chicago Dyke March came under fire after ejecting three pro-LGBTQ marchers who were waving Jewish Pride flags. Organizers defended their decision by saying the ban was against Zionism, not Jews. Several organizations soon followed suit under the same argument, including Chicago SlutWalk.

Don't waste your time benny, the Bob bros can't separate the state of Israel from the Jewish people in their minds. It requires too much critical thinking.

Wait, you're still defending this after reading the article?

The event organizers are clearly picking and choosing what's offensive based on their own biased beliefs that have nothing to do with the event itself. If you're going to draw a line and say the state of Israel is bad, but the Palestinian Liberation Organization is okay, you're being a bigot. Worried about offending "our Palestinian sisters" but not giving a shit about their Israeli counterparts? Bigoted. I personally don't think it's being driven by antisemitism (more a misguided effort to promote social justice), but I sure as shit couldn't rebuke anyone who does make that claim.

How is it possible for a reasonably intelligent person to have absolutely no grasp of power dynamics?

Gays
Lesbians
transgenders
Palestinians
Mossad Operatives

One of these things is not like the others...

So is that the goal of an LGBT march, compensate for the power dynamics of peoples' heritages? That's a pretty sad deviation from a previously wonderful celebration.

And that doesn't address the fact that the PLO has a track record that is just as heinous as Israel's. That they did so from a position of relative oppression does not excuse murder and terrorism. Yet the organizers explicitly allow that flag to fly.

"PLO has a track record that is just as heinous as Israel's" I don't necessarily disagree with this in theory.

"That they did so from a position of relative oppression does not excuse murder and terrorism."

But if PLO has done things JUST AS HEINOUS, and Israel had more power and backing, how does this go on to justify Israel's actions that you say PLO is responding to in "JUST AS BAD" of a way.

As you point out someone else's hypocrisy, often you are just highlighting your own hypocrisy on the flip side.

BennyBeaver said:

salemcoog said:

ZoneUW said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

ZoneUW said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

ZoneUW said:

BennyBeaver said:

The march, which is returning to Washington after a 12-year hiatus, is seeking to be more radical than its previous version, including LGBTQ people of various races, religions, socioeconomic classes and gender identities, organizers told The Washington Post.

However, pro-Zionist and “nationalist symbols,” including Israeli and Jewish Pride flags, will not be welcomed at the event, organizers said.

Yael Horowitz, a Jewish march organizer, said the ban is a protest against “nations that have specific oppressive tendencies.”

“If someone would show up with an American flag but with the stripes as a rainbow, we would treat it the same way,” she told The Post. “I think what’s getting erased here is pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are very different things.”

The Palestinian flag, however, will be permitted, she added.

“Jewish stars and other identifications and celebrations of Jewishness (yarmulkes, tallit, other expressions of Judaism or Jewishness) are welcome and encouraged,” Ms. Horowitz said in a Facebook message explaining the decision, The Post reported. “We do ask that participants not bring pro-Israel paraphernalia in solidarity with our queer Palestinian friends.”

March organizer Rae Gaines, who is also Jewish, told the Forward that Jewish Pride flags, which are rainbow flags with a Star of David in the middle, are also banned because they too closely resemble the Israel flag.

“The issue [with the Jewish Pride flag] is where the Star of David is positioned in a way that looks like an Israeli flag, it creates an unsafe space,” she said. “It really is a shame that Israel took this symbol of Judaism and turned it into this nationalist symbol. … I understand the Jewish pride flag is a symbol that a lot of Jews have come to embrace, but there are so many other Jewish symbols that we can use to express our Judaism, like a Star of David [on a necklace], like a yarmulke, a tallit.”

Banning Israeli symbols from events advertised as inclusive is not new. In 2017, the Chicago Dyke March came under fire after ejecting three pro-LGBTQ marchers who were waving Jewish Pride flags. Organizers defended their decision by saying the ban was against Zionism, not Jews. Several organizations soon followed suit under the same argument, including Chicago SlutWalk.

Don't waste your time benny, the Bob bros can't separate the state of Israel from the Jewish people in their minds. It requires too much critical thinking.

Wait, you're still defending this after reading the article?

The event organizers are clearly picking and choosing what's offensive based on their own biased beliefs that have nothing to do with the event itself. If you're going to draw a line and say the state of Israel is bad, but the Palestinian Liberation Organization is okay, you're being a bigot. Worried about offending "our Palestinian sisters" but not giving a shit about their Israeli counterparts? Bigoted. I personally don't think it's being driven by antisemitism (more a misguided effort to promote social justice), but I sure as shit couldn't rebuke anyone who does make that claim.

How is it possible for a reasonably intelligent person to have absolutely no grasp of power dynamics?

Gays
Lesbians
transgenders
Palestinians
Mossad Operatives

One of these things is not like the others...

So is that the goal of an LGBT march, compensate for the power dynamics of peoples' heritages? That's a pretty sad deviation from a previously wonderful celebration.

And that doesn't address the fact that the PLO has a track record that is just as heinous as Israel's. That they did so from a position of relative oppression does not excuse murder and terrorism. Yet the organizers explicitly allow that flag to fly.

"PLO has a track record that is just as heinous as Israel's" I don't necessarily disagree with this in theory.

"That they did so from a position of relative oppression does not excuse murder and terrorism."

But if PLO has done things JUST AS HEINOUS, and Israel had more power and backing, how does this go on to justify Israel's actions that you say PLO is responding to in "JUST AS BAD" of a way.

As you point out someone else's hypocrisy, often you are just highlighting your own hypocrisy on the flip side.

It’s been a long day. You should put the phone down and catch some winks.

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