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Socialism's abject failure
Sledog
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https://www.insightcrime.org/news/brief/venezuela-crime-literally-doesnt-pay/
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Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc are better comparisons.
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Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.greenblood said:Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.
Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.
Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model". -
I beseech ye all on the bowels of Christ, can we please come to an agreement in the Tug as to what we are calling REAL socialism vs high tax/generous welfare states with market economies?
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YellowSnow said:
I beseech ye all on the bowels of Christ, can we please come to an agreement in the Tug as to what we are calling REAL socialism vs high tax/generous welfare states with market economies?
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The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.greenblood said:Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.
Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.
Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model". -
When you ask these right-wingers whether we can have these “capitalist” Nordic economies here, including a sovereign wealth fund, over 50% union membership, and generous welfare benefits, the answer is always no.HHusky said:
The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.greenblood said:Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.
Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.
Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model". -
Boy do liberal Kunts love Welfare.
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Yes(though it's uneccessary with the current Dollar reserve status which you don't understand one bit)HardlyClothed said:
When you ask these right-wingers whether we can have these “capitalist” Nordic economies here, including a sovereign wealth fund, over 50% union membership, and generous welfare benefits, the answer is always no.HHusky said:
The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.greenblood said:Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.
Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.
Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model".
Yes, free markets allow for free association, just don't make laws forbidding non-union workers from working...
Depends, do state sponsored vouchers get to be used as the recipient sees fit(school choice) or does the state get to tell them what they get and they'll like it?
Thanks for proving my point that leftists are by and large ignorant of any of the details. -
The Government Pension Fund Global, also known as the Oil Fund, was established in 1990 to invest the surplus revenues of the Norwegian petroleum sector. It has over US$1 trillion in assets, including 1.3% of global stocks and shares, making it the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund.[1] In May 2018 it was worth about $195,000 per Norwegian citizen.[2]HHusky said:
The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.greenblood said:Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.
Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.
Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model". -
SFGbob has got life figured out. Thats why he is choosing to be here angry.
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Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries. -
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries. -
How do you propose to "give" unions that power.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries.
I'm fine if people mobilize themselves into unions. I actually think it can be a very good thing when unions align themselves to balance workers stakes vs. staying competitive and in business.
Just keep the state out of all of it, including creating closed shop laws, and we are in agreement. -
You’re the one that wants to eliminate minimum wage, you figure out. No federal minimum wage works in those countries because of unions, get the US to match their union participation rate and it’s all yours.UW_Doog_Bot said:
How do you propose to "give" unions that power.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries.
I'm fine if people mobilize themselves into unions. I actually think it can be a very good thing when unions align themselves to balance workers stakes vs. staying competitive and in business.
Just keep the state out of all of it, including creating closed shop laws, and we are in agreement. -
It's almost like in the absence of state central planning, market organization will occur because of market demands...allpurpleallgold said:
You’re the one that wants to eliminate minimum wage, you figure out. No federal minimum wage works in those countries because of unions, get the US to match their union participation rate and it’s all yours.UW_Doog_Bot said:
How do you propose to "give" unions that power.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries.
I'm fine if people mobilize themselves into unions. I actually think it can be a very good thing when unions align themselves to balance workers stakes vs. staying competitive and in business.
Just keep the state out of all of it, including creating closed shop laws, and we are in agreement.
I digress, sure doesn't sound like socialismo. What exactly is it that you want to copy from Scandinavian countries? -
Welp, I'd start here:UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's almost like in the absence of state central planning, market organization will occur because of market demands...allpurpleallgold said:
You’re the one that wants to eliminate minimum wage, you figure out. No federal minimum wage works in those countries because of unions, get the US to match their union participation rate and it’s all yours.UW_Doog_Bot said:
How do you propose to "give" unions that power.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries.
I'm fine if people mobilize themselves into unions. I actually think it can be a very good thing when unions align themselves to balance workers stakes vs. staying competitive and in business.
Just keep the state out of all of it, including creating closed shop laws, and we are in agreement.
I digress, sure doesn't sound like socialismo. What exactly is it that you want to copy from Scandinavian countries?
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Needs to get her roots done.Swaye said:
Welp, I'd start here:UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's almost like in the absence of state central planning, market organization will occur because of market demands...allpurpleallgold said:
You’re the one that wants to eliminate minimum wage, you figure out. No federal minimum wage works in those countries because of unions, get the US to match their union participation rate and it’s all yours.UW_Doog_Bot said:
How do you propose to "give" unions that power.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries.
I'm fine if people mobilize themselves into unions. I actually think it can be a very good thing when unions align themselves to balance workers stakes vs. staying competitive and in business.
Just keep the state out of all of it, including creating closed shop laws, and we are in agreement.
I digress, sure doesn't sound like socialismo. What exactly is it that you want to copy from Scandinavian countries? -
Ill go digging for some socialism in her yoga pantsSwaye said:
Welp, I'd start here:UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's almost like in the absence of state central planning, market organization will occur because of market demands...allpurpleallgold said:
You’re the one that wants to eliminate minimum wage, you figure out. No federal minimum wage works in those countries because of unions, get the US to match their union participation rate and it’s all yours.UW_Doog_Bot said:
How do you propose to "give" unions that power.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries.
I'm fine if people mobilize themselves into unions. I actually think it can be a very good thing when unions align themselves to balance workers stakes vs. staying competitive and in business.
Just keep the state out of all of it, including creating closed shop laws, and we are in agreement.
I digress, sure doesn't sound like socialismo. What exactly is it that you want to copy from Scandinavian countries? -
Veiled call for genocide?Swaye said:
Welp, I'd start here:UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's almost like in the absence of state central planning, market organization will occur because of market demands...allpurpleallgold said:
You’re the one that wants to eliminate minimum wage, you figure out. No federal minimum wage works in those countries because of unions, get the US to match their union participation rate and it’s all yours.UW_Doog_Bot said:
How do you propose to "give" unions that power.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean most jobs do have a minimum wage, it’s just not federal. If you want to give unions the same amount of power here that they have there, then eliminate that shit.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except I just said I'll happily do things like,allpurpleallgold said:
create an educational voucher system,
eliminate minimum wage,
sign more free trade agreements and reduce regulatory burden,
Why don't you want to do those things? They work in Scandinavian countries.
I'm fine if people mobilize themselves into unions. I actually think it can be a very good thing when unions align themselves to balance workers stakes vs. staying competitive and in business.
Just keep the state out of all of it, including creating closed shop laws, and we are in agreement.
I digress, sure doesn't sound like socialismo. What exactly is it that you want to copy from Scandinavian countries? -
Fuck ya ya lazy bum!HardlyClothed said:
When you ask these right-wingers whether we can have these “capitalist” Nordic economies here, including a sovereign wealth fund, over 50% union membership, and generous welfare benefits, the answer is always no.HHusky said:
The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.greenblood said:Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.
Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.
Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model".
