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Jesus. What a dumb fuck.
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Disagree.
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So you don't like to be POTUS and not have a fucking clue about economics?Mad_Son said:Disagree.
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Also I am watching this on delay and President Obama just called for raising minimum wage which is what I am not assuming this thread is about. I am in favor of a raising minimum wage but I recognize it is a fairly controversial economic policy and I acknowledge that it is not as proven a concept as others and has legitimate gripes.
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It's politically controversial, but not economically controversial.Mad_Son said:Also I am watching this on delay and President Obama just called for raising minimum wage which is what I am not assuming this thread is about. I am in favor of a raising minimum wage but I recognize it is a fairly controversial economic policy and I acknowledge that it is not as proven a concept as others and has legitimate gripes.
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Some mind numbing shit in all regards - had to turn off before I break TV
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I think it is economically controversial. My view very similarly parallels this editorial.MikeDamone said:
It's politically controversial, but not economically controversial.Mad_Son said:Also I am watching this on delay and President Obama just called for raising minimum wage which is what I am not assuming this thread is about. I am in favor of a raising minimum wage but I recognize it is a fairly controversial economic policy and I acknowledge that it is not as proven a concept as others and has legitimate gripes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/business/the-minimum-wage-employment-and-income-distribution.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I think that there are preferable means of accomplishing what I view the purpose of a minimum wage is (keeping workers out of poverty) such as EIC but that it is better than the other measures we will take which are nothing. Shooting for something that might happen at reduced efficiency is better than shooting for something that won't happen, even if it is better. I think a call for an increased minimum wage is not clueless. I think it is simply a risk averse maneuver.
If President Obama's goal for a minimum wage was to stimulate the economy then it would be clueless. He said it is motivated to help keep working people out of poverty though and I think it can help to that end.
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He did say it's way to boost the economy. It's also certainly not a way to get people out of poverty. In fact, the lowest skilled workers who he proposes to help are the ones hurt the most.Mad_Son said:
I think it is economically controversial. My view very similarly parallels this editorial.MikeDamone said:
It's politically controversial, but not economically controversial.Mad_Son said:Also I am watching this on delay and President Obama just called for raising minimum wage which is what I am not assuming this thread is about. I am in favor of a raising minimum wage but I recognize it is a fairly controversial economic policy and I acknowledge that it is not as proven a concept as others and has legitimate gripes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/business/the-minimum-wage-employment-and-income-distribution.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I think that there are preferable means of accomplishing what I view the purpose of a minimum wage is (keeping workers out of poverty) such as EIC but that it is better than the other measures we will take which are nothing. Shooting for something that might happen at reduced efficiency is better than shooting for something that won't happen, even if it is better. I think a call for an increased minimum wage is not clueless. I think it is simply a risk averse maneuver.
If President Obama's goal for a minimum wage was to stimulate the economy then it would be clueless. He said it is motivated to help keep working people out of poverty though and I think it can help to that end.
My two cents.
Getting past the NY Times view would be a good first step.
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He did say it's way to boost the economy.
I have no desire to listen to that again. The emphasis in my eyes was certainly on keeping people out of poverty though.It's also certainly not a way to get people out of poverty. In fact, the lowest skilled workers who he proposes to help are the ones hurt the most.
I acknowledged that what I posted was an editorial and since it is in the NYT you know what to expect there. I can assure you I have a more well rounded view than that. I do admit my research on the topic only amounts to a few hours however.
Getting past the NY Times view would be a good first step.
socsci.uci.edu/~dneumark/min_wage_review.pdf
So far I have only read the abstract and page count of the paper you linked so it will take me a while to formulate a response to that.
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"In sum, we view the literature – when read broadly and critically as largely solidifying the view that minimum wages reduce employment of low-skilled workers, and as suggesting that the low-wage labor market can be reasonably approximated by the neoclassical competitive model. Of course, as we have argued elsewhere, the effect of the minimum wage on employment represents only one piece of the analysis necessary to assess whether minimum wages are a useful policy tool for improving the economic position of those at the bottom of the income distribution – which we believe is the ultimate goal of minimum wage policy. In particular, a more comprehensive review that includes the implications of the minimum wage for the levels and distributions of wages, employment and hours, incomes, and human capital accumulation, as well as consideration of alternative policies, is ultimately needed to assess whether raising the minimum wage is good economic policy. Given that the weight of the evidence points to disemployment effects, any argument in favor of pursuing higher minimum wages would appear to require that the benefits of a higher minimum wage outweigh the costs of the employment losses for those workers who are adversely affected."
tl;dr in a 184 page study they found more evidence for disemployment effects of a minumum wage but more study on whether it is good policy in the low wage labor market is necessary.
So it brings us into a standard of living debate.

