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Seattle's economic policies are creating bigger problems for residents

DerekJohnson
DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,372 Founders Club
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxmMI2uzi-A
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    I’m glad we found a fat guy from Ferndale to help us bitch about Seattle governance.
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  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2019
    Sigh. Fox News. So much much bullshit, yet they’re not entirely wrong.

    What will be interesting is if the problems Amazon and other companies are seeking to escape will follow them across the I-90 and 520 bridges. I live on the Eastside and see more homelessness, traffic, etc. than ever before. I would think policies would have to change to compensate for the greater strain on Bellevue’s infrastructure.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    Seattle is a big city. Big cities have big city issues. They’re not for everyone.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    HHusky said:

    Seattle is a big city. Big cities have big city issues. They’re not for everyone.

    Columbus Ohio disagrees
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    greenblood said:

    HHusky said:

    Seattle is a big city. Big cities have big city issues. They’re not for everyone.

    Columbus Ohio disagrees
    You have a constitutional right to move to Columbus, Ohio.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    HHusky said:

    greenblood said:

    HHusky said:

    Seattle is a big city. Big cities have big city issues. They’re not for everyone.

    Columbus Ohio disagrees
    You have a constitutional right to move to Columbus, Ohio.
    Yes I do. But way to deflect
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    greenblood said:

    HHusky said:

    greenblood said:

    HHusky said:

    Seattle is a big city. Big cities have big city issues. They’re not for everyone.

    Columbus Ohio disagrees
    You have a constitutional right to move to Columbus, Ohio.
    Yes I do. But way to deflect
    I think the point is that you don’t really want to live there. Who does?
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,261 Founders Club
    Make Seattle Great Again!!
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,063
    YellowSnow said:

    Make Seattle Great Again!!

    Ban birds.

    Ducks, cranes....not good.

    Too soon?

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,261 Founders Club
    PurpleThrobber said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Make Seattle Great Again!!

    Ban birds.

    Ducks, cranes....not good.

    Too soon?

    I had to explain to a 5 year old yesterday the Duck boats sometimes sink if the water is too rough.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,261 Founders Club
    greenblood said:

    Seattle is a shit hole. Water is wet. So is Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and the other 90% of the 100k+ populated cities along the west coast.

    But it’s our? shit hole!!
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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,270
    PurpleThrobber said:

    whlinder said:

    greenblood said:

    HHusky said:

    Seattle is a big city. Big cities have big city issues. They’re not for everyone.

    Columbus Ohio disagrees
    This is not a valid comparison. The class of cities Seattle is in is not Columbus Ohio or Eugene Oregon. Seattle's class is Boston/Philly/Atlanta/Dallas/Houston/Phoenix/Denver and it's not that different than NY/LA/CHI/DC+Balt/MIA/SF. Seattle is a global city with global connections. Global cities have problems with these things, which are accurately described in the video as "quality of life" crimes.

    You would have thought SEA would have learned something when Boeing moved their HQ away. You would also have thought all these companies would have known that Seattle has been this way for a long time- look no further than the 1999 WTO riots. It's the same now as it was 20 years ago: big companies BAD! They're screwing the little people!

    Most of these issues are wealth inequality problems. Seattle's instinct is ALWAYS to over-correct on the side of the poors. We all know that doesn't work long term cause OPM is never unlimited. It is also Seattle's instinct to not understand how business and economics actually work. Yeah Boeing, stop making planes cause they're bad for the environment, make electric buses! GTFOOH.
    That level of policy evaluation is not the responsibility of a local government.
    Yeah- I"m gonna go ahead and call bullshit. The Throbber has spent time in 'global cities' both in the US and internationally- at least half dozen since the first of the year. Hard to believe but at times the G&R Compound is a little remote and The throbber needs to get his culture on.

    Those cities don't have absolute filth and feces and waste covering their sidewalks. Maybe some panhandlers here and there. But camping and tent cities and shit...fuck no. SF and Seattle are by far the worst. Not even close.

    This is where I was going with my comment of Seattle always over correcting to the poors- not addressing problems of filth and drugs because of their misplaced policy focus. The core problem is still the same as those cities, they just handle it better.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    Pitchfork51 said:

    when they could easily be better


    We’re listening.
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  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    Pitchfork51 said:

    The worst argument the leftists have is "if it's so bad then why do people want to live there?" when talking about shit like this

    1. It's a good location which no amount of political fuckery can change
    2. It's been developed over like 200 years and would take another hundred to really fuck up
    3. People are annoyed that leftist policies are actively making things worse when they could easily be better


    Agreed. It’s the political equivalent of doogism. Beat (insert rival political party of your choosing), nothing else matters.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    when they could easily be better


    We’re listening.
    ....Not shit in the streets?
    Which Seattle politician advocates people shit in the streets? I’m not voting for that.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    YellowSnow said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    when they could easily be better


    We’re listening.
    ....Not shit in the streets?
    Which Seattle politician advocates people shit in the streets? I’m not voting for that.
    Bellevue doesn’t have shit all over their side walks. Why can’t we try what they’re doing?
    I guess I never realized what a nirvana Bellevue is. Why don't people from Bellevue agree?
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,613 Standard Supporter
    It's all solvable and these virtue signaling politicians don't do anything. That's why people get angry.

    Stop handing out free shit and needles, or at least do it with a stipulation that you can't commit crime.

    Actually enforce laws, or allow cops to. Sorry if you're homeless. I've been pour too at times. It doesn't give anyone a free pass.

    The economic stuff is more complicated, but the head tax seems dumb. I don't have a problem with taxing the rich more in general
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    It's all solvable and these virtue signaling politicians don't do anything. That's why people get angry.

    Stop handing out free shit and needles, or at least do it with a stipulation that you can't commit crime.

    Actually enforce laws, or allow cops to. Sorry if you're homeless. I've been pour too at times. It doesn't give anyone a free pass.

    The economic stuff is more complicated, but the head tax seems dumb. I don't have a problem with taxing the rich more in general

    So just get tougher on people. I'm surprised no one thought of that.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    USMChawk said:

    HHusky said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    It's all solvable and these virtue signaling politicians don't do anything. That's why people get angry.

    Stop handing out free shit and needles, or at least do it with a stipulation that you can't commit crime.

    Actually enforce laws, or allow cops to. Sorry if you're homeless. I've been pour too at times. It doesn't give anyone a free pass.

    The economic stuff is more complicated, but the head tax seems dumb. I don't have a problem with taxing the rich more in general

    So just get tougher on people. I'm surprised no one thought of that.
    Holding people accountable to existing laws isn’t getting tougher on them, it’s enforcing a standard.
    Who should do it? The SPD can barely respond to anything that doesn't involve immediate injury anymore.

    It's almost like some of you think more government is the answer, but that can't be true.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,063
    HHusky said:

    USMChawk said:

    HHusky said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    It's all solvable and these virtue signaling politicians don't do anything. That's why people get angry.

    Stop handing out free shit and needles, or at least do it with a stipulation that you can't commit crime.

    Actually enforce laws, or allow cops to. Sorry if you're homeless. I've been pour too at times. It doesn't give anyone a free pass.

    The economic stuff is more complicated, but the head tax seems dumb. I don't have a problem with taxing the rich more in general

    So just get tougher on people. I'm surprised no one thought of that.
    Holding people accountable to existing laws isn’t getting tougher on them, it’s enforcing a standard.
    Who should do it? The SPD can barely respond to anything that doesn't involve immediate injury anymore.

    It's almost like some of you think more government is the answer, but that can't be true.
    If you actually watched the KOMO documentary, there was a lengthy segment on the hand cuffs (pun intended) that the Council has put on the SPD in enforcing the laws. The City Council doesn't want enforcement nor does the mayor.

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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    PurpleThrobber said:

    HHusky said:

    USMChawk said:

    HHusky said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    It's all solvable and these virtue signaling politicians don't do anything. That's why people get angry.

    Stop handing out free shit and needles, or at least do it with a stipulation that you can't commit crime.

    Actually enforce laws, or allow cops to. Sorry if you're homeless. I've been pour too at times. It doesn't give anyone a free pass.

    The economic stuff is more complicated, but the head tax seems dumb. I don't have a problem with taxing the rich more in general

    So just get tougher on people. I'm surprised no one thought of that.
    Holding people accountable to existing laws isn’t getting tougher on them, it’s enforcing a standard.
    Who should do it? The SPD can barely respond to anything that doesn't involve immediate injury anymore.

    It's almost like some of you think more government is the answer, but that can't be true.
    If you actually watched the KOMO documentary, there was a lengthy segment on the hand cuffs (pun intended) that the Council has put on the SPD in enforcing the laws. The City Council doesn't want enforcement nor does the mayor.

    Regardless, the force has gotten smaller as a the City has grown. At some point, it doesn't matter what they're allowed to do. There aren't enough of them to do it.
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