Ducks Sign 6 foot, 4,230 lb wide receiver for next season

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Gotta love big receivers who are too slow to really play receiver at a high level and too soft to play TE. #ScoDucks

There have been a lot of successful big receivers who are north of 4.4. The knock on him was his inconsistency in 2018. People loved him before that. They were smart to go get him. Little downside.

Except he's a one year rental who'll take game reps away from your younger receivers and slow down their growth and development. Helps Oregon for 2019, hurts them for 2020, especially if he becomes Herbert's favorite target.

oh god not a couple game reps

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Gotta love big receivers who are too slow to really play receiver at a high level and too soft to play TE. #ScoDucks

There have been a lot of successful big receivers who are north of 4.4. The knock on him was his inconsistency in 2018. People loved him before that. They were smart to go get him. Little downside.

Except he's a one year rental who'll take game reps away from your younger receivers and slow down their growth and development. Helps Oregon for 2019, hurts them for 2020, especially if he becomes Herbert's favorite target.

You play for now. Next season is next seaon. If the other receivers warrant throws, then they'll get them. That's the nice thing about the position: it's all production. QBs are stingy people by nature. They want to complete passes and will throw to anyone who catches them.

Dillon is gone, and he was their passing game last season.

I also like big receivers if they play big. I'll take a guy who will catch a ball in traffic to move the chains all day long.

Go ahead and suck even worse in 2020. I don't care. Oregon always wants to put bandaids on holes on the roster instead of developing their own talent internally and that's why they suck and aren't going anywhere.

Let me get this straight. You play a season with one receiver who is worth a shit, and he leaves. A guy who has some upside wants to transfer from Penn State, but you tell him to fuck off because you need those reps this season for the younger guys to develop.

Got it.

Brilliant analysis. You'll be running the Alabama program in no time.

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Gotta love big receivers who are too slow to really play receiver at a high level and too soft to play TE. #ScoDucks

There have been a lot of successful big receivers who are north of 4.4. The knock on him was his inconsistency in 2018. People loved him before that. They were smart to go get him. Little downside.

Except he's a one year rental who'll take game reps away from your younger receivers and slow down their growth and development. Helps Oregon for 2019, hurts them for 2020, especially if he becomes Herbert's favorite target.

You play for now. Next season is next seaon. If the other receivers warrant throws, then they'll get them. That's the nice thing about the position: it's all production. QBs are stingy people by nature. They want to complete passes and will throw to anyone who catches them.

Dillon is gone, and he was their passing game last season.

I also like big receivers if they play big. I'll take a guy who will catch a ball in traffic to move the chains all day long.

Go ahead and suck even worse in 2020. I don't care. Oregon always wants to put bandaids on holes on the roster instead of developing their own talent internally and that's why they suck and aren't going anywhere.

Let me get this straight. You play a season with one receiver who is worth a shit, and he leaves. A guy who has some upside wants to transfer from Penn State, but you tell him to fuck off because you need those reps this season for the younger guys to develop.

Got it.

Brilliant analysis. You'll be running the Alabama program in no time.

If you want to build a real program, yes, that's what you do. Petersen and Chip Kelly and David Shaw are not out searching for JUCO kids or graduate transfers every off season. You build a great program internally with your own recruits. Not with bandaids that fill a hole for one year but leave another gaping hole when they leave. And don't act like this dude was banging down Oregon's door. They went after him and offered him the easiest path to playing time for his final season with talented QB to throw him the ball.

A few things:

1. You posit things in such ridiculously absolute terms that it's hard to take you seriously. This is not a zero / sum game. He's a receiver. There are many of them. During the Air Coryell era, Fouts managed to pass the ball to Jefferson, Chandler, Winslow and Joiner. All four of them. If they can spread the ball around with that crew, then Herbert can find someone else to target. If it turns out that the guys coming up aren't ready and they lean on this guy, again, who cares? Nobody in this day and age ever goes into a season with a glaring problem that they damn well know is going to cost them a bunch of games. This is a now business. People were running out of patience with Petersen after year 2. I know, I was here. And if he plays well it doesn't follow logically that nobody else will be getting throws. From what I hear, some of last year's freshman are playing well this Spring. If that holds, they'll play and develop. This guy isn't Jerry Rice and isn't going to get 100% of the throws. Last year Dillon came close because every single other receiver was just so fucking unreliable. You don't do that to yourself on purpose.

2. Btw, Corey Dillon was a JC x-fer, and Chip Kelly would recruit and play his grandmother in her last year of life if he thought she could help him win.

3. Oregon has dealt with a coaching turnstile the last few years. That creates all kinds of problems, not the least of which are the gaps of which you speak. Getting your ass kicked and winning 2 or 3 games is not going to help that unless you are a marquee program that can recruit well on name alone. The Pac 12 has one such program, and it's in LA.

3. I don't know who was banging down whose door, and I don't care. Miami was banging on the doors of a lot of people hoping to get some players in and create some fucking competition on offense, because theirs has sucked ballz for the last several seasons. Miami has a proud tradition. So what? These aren't important considerations, except apparently to you. It comes off badly. He wasn't banging down their door? Fine. If he catches passes next season, NOWGAF.

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Gotta love big receivers who are too slow to really play receiver at a high level and too soft to play TE. #ScoDucks

There have been a lot of successful big receivers who are north of 4.4. The knock on him was his inconsistency in 2018. People loved him before that. They were smart to go get him. Little downside.

Except he's a one year rental who'll take game reps away from your younger receivers and slow down their growth and development. Helps Oregon for 2019, hurts them for 2020, especially if he becomes Herbert's favorite target.

You play for now. Next season is next seaon. If the other receivers warrant throws, then they'll get them. That's the nice thing about the position: it's all production. QBs are stingy people by nature. They want to complete passes and will throw to anyone who catches them.

Dillon is gone, and he was their passing game last season.

I also like big receivers if they play big. I'll take a guy who will catch a ball in traffic to move the chains all day long.

Go ahead and suck even worse in 2020. I don't care. Oregon always wants to put bandaids on holes on the roster instead of developing their own talent internally and that's why they suck and aren't going anywhere.

Let me get this straight. You play a season with one receiver who is worth a shit, and he leaves. A guy who has some upside wants to transfer from Penn State, but you tell him to fuck off because you need those reps this season for the younger guys to develop.

Got it.

Brilliant analysis. You'll be running the Alabama program in no time.

If you want to build a real program, yes, that's what you do. Petersen and Chip Kelly and David Shaw are not out searching for JUCO kids or graduate transfers every off season. You build a great program internally with your own recruits. Not with bandaids that fill a hole for one year but leave another gaping hole when they leave. And don't act like this dude was banging down Oregon's door. They went after him and offered him the easiest path to playing time for his final season with talented QB to throw him the ball.

A few things:

1. You posit things in such ridiculously absolute terms that it's hard to take you seriously. This is not a zero / sum game. He's a receiver. There are many of them. During the Air Coryell era, Fouts managed to pass the ball to Jefferson, Chandler, Winslow and Joiner. All four of them. If they can spread the ball around with that crew, then Herbert can find someone else to target. If it turns out that the guys coming up aren't ready and they lean on this guy, again, who cares? Nobody in this day and age ever goes into a season with a glaring problem that they damn well know is going to cost them a bunch of games. This is a now business. People were running out of patience with Petersen after year 2. I know, I was here. And if he plays well it doesn't follow logically that nobody else will be getting throws. From what I hear, some of last year's freshman are playing well this Spring. If that holds, they'll play and develop. This guy isn't Jerry Rice and isn't going to get 100% of the throws. Last year Dillon came close because every single other receiver was just so fucking unreliable. You don't do that to yourself on purpose.

2. Btw, Corey Dillon was a JC x-fer, and Chip Kelly would recruit and play his grandmother in her last year of life if he thought she could help him win.

3. Oregon has dealt with a coaching turnstile the last few years. That creates all kinds of problems, not the least of which are the gaps of which you speak. Getting your ass kicked and winning 2 or 3 games is not going to help that unless you are a marquee program that can recruit well on name alone. The Pac 12 has one such program, and it's in LA.

3. I don't know who was banging down whose door, and I don't care. Miami was banging on the doors of a lot of people hoping to get some players in and create some fucking competition on offense, because theirs has sucked ballz for the last several seasons. Miami has a proud tradition. So what? These aren't important considerations, except apparently to you. It comes off badly. He wasn't banging down their door? Fine. If he catches passes next season, NOWGAF.

All I hear is a bunch of excuses. Mario's a meathead retard. Oregon sucks and they're always gonna suck.

StrongArmCobra said:

greenblood said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

creepycoug said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Gotta love big receivers who are too slow to really play receiver at a high level and too soft to play TE. #ScoDucks

There have been a lot of successful big receivers who are north of 4.4. The knock on him was his inconsistency in 2018. People loved him before that. They were smart to go get him. Little downside.

Except he's a one year rental who'll take game reps away from your younger receivers and slow down their growth and development. Helps Oregon for 2019, hurts them for 2020, especially if he becomes Herbert's favorite target.

You play for now. Next season is next seaon. If the other receivers warrant throws, then they'll get them. That's the nice thing about the position: it's all production. QBs are stingy people by nature. They want to complete passes and will throw to anyone who catches them.

Dillon is gone, and he was their passing game last season.

I also like big receivers if they play big. I'll take a guy who will catch a ball in traffic to move the chains all day long.

Go ahead and suck even worse in 2020. I don't care. Oregon always wants to put bandaids on holes on the roster instead of developing their own talent internally and that's why they suck and aren't going anywhere.

Let me get this straight. You play a season with one receiver who is worth a shit, and he leaves. A guy who has some upside wants to transfer from Penn State, but you tell him to fuck off because you need those reps this season for the younger guys to develop.

Got it.

Brilliant analysis. You'll be running the Alabama program in no time.

If you want to build a real program, yes, that's what you do. Petersen and Chip Kelly and David Shaw are not out searching for JUCO kids or graduate transfers every off season. You build a great program internally with your own recruits. Not with bandaids that fill a hole for one year but leave another gaping hole when they leave. And don't act like this dude was banging down Oregon's door. They went after him and offered him the easiest path to playing time for his final season with a talented QB to throw him the ball.

Yeah, Peterson never signed a transfer. Especially at QB, because it might take away from your young QB’s reps.

One transfer to supplement an already competitive and talented position group is fine. Recruiting a bunch or JUCO transfers and 4-year transfers to fill gaping holes on your roster is different. Building a program is a process and it has to be built on a strong foundation of internal development. A bunch of transfers are either a waste of scholarships that could have gone to high school recruits or if they do pan out they stunt the development of others and leave a hole they previously filled when they leave. Oregon is not Bama. They're UW under Sark. A bunch of attrition due to poor recruiting evaluations and recruiting guys from across the country that are gonna leave if they're not playing early. Coaches trying to fill holes on a sinking boat with bubble gum. It's fun to watch. I got my popcorn ready.

If you need to bring in a transfer, you might not have a competitive and talented position group. Your best eligible QB last year threw one td pass all season (to the wrong team)