The left's lies about Reagan and the welfare queen
HardlyClothed said:Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
From noted right-wing and racist news source NPR:
If you haven't read Josh Levin's amazing story at Slate — the woman upon whom the term "welfare queen" was originally bestowed — you're missing out on a fascinating and disturbing profile of an unlikely political figure. Linda Taylor was never mentioned by name, but she was the subject of many of Ronald Reagan's 1976 presidential campaign speech anecdotes about a Chicago woman who'd defrauded the government of hundreds of thousands of dollars. And while Reagan's critics on the left argued that the woman was a fabrication, Levin reminds us at length that she wasn't.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/20/255819681/the-truth-behind-the-lies-of-the-original-welfare-queen
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It's not an accident that every Republican President and Presidential candidate from 1964 until now has been called a racist by the left.
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In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person -
And that's why HC thought Welfare reform was racist and why O'keefed tried to smear conservatives for thinking that thus their support for welfare reform.RaceBannon said:In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person
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Elizabeth Warrens mother confirmed.RaceBannon said:In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person -
A huge swath of conservative and non-conservative voters see a fat black woman, reclining on her couch (eating pastries?) when they hear the term "welfare queen". If you can't acknowledge that reality, you're pretending that you lived the last 40 years in this country without paying the slightest bit of attention. But I know you were paying attention, blob.SFGbob said:
And that's why HC thought Welfare reform was racist and why O'keefed tried to smear conservatives for thinking that thus their support for welfare reform.RaceBannon said:In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person -
Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
What part of "conservative and non-conservative voters" confused you?SFGbob said:Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
Liberals wouldn't engage in stereotypes if they weren't effectiveHHusky said:
A huge swath of conservative and non-conservative voters see a fat black woman, reclining on her couch (eating pastries?) when they hear the term "welfare queen". If you can't acknowledge that reality, you're pretending that you lived the last 40 years in this country without paying the slightest bit of attention. But I know you were paying attention, blob.SFGbob said:
And that's why HC thought Welfare reform was racist and why O'keefed tried to smear conservatives for thinking that thus their support for welfare reform.RaceBannon said:In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person
Huge swaths of liberals hear Black person when they hear welfare
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So you were a racist who responded to Reagan's racist dog whistle and that's why you voted for him. Got it. I knew it couldn't have been on account of your being a conservative because you're not a conservative.HHusky said:
What part of "conservative and non-conservative voters" confused you?SFGbob said:Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
I've had dinner with Black people and they wouldn't DREAM of being a welfare queen
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Well, that was boring.
I thought this was going to be an expose' on Ronnie getting it on with a Puerto Rican in Queens in the 90's and discovering AOC is his illegitimate daughter.
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Our kids were signed up for free lunch at school which meant yet another visit from me this time asking why they assumed I can't feed my children
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You'll need to have this fight with someone who disagrees with you.RaceBannon said:
Huge swaths of liberals hear Black person when they hear welfareHHusky said:
A huge swath of conservative and non-conservative voters see a fat black woman, reclining on her couch (eating pastries?) when they hear the term "welfare queen". If you can't acknowledge that reality, you're pretending that you lived the last 40 years in this country without paying the slightest bit of attention. But I know you were paying attention, blob.SFGbob said:
And that's why HC thought Welfare reform was racist and why O'keefed tried to smear conservatives for thinking that thus their support for welfare reform.RaceBannon said:In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person -
Woah!!!
HardlyClothed is wrong? Impossible
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Oh look. The guy who refers to our 44th President as "O'Chimp" is gonna lecture me about what I think.SFGbob said:
So you were a racist who responded to Reagan's racist dog whistle and that's why you voted for him. Got it. I knew it couldn't have been on account of your being a conservative because you're not a conservative.HHusky said:
What part of "conservative and non-conservative voters" confused you?SFGbob said:Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
Don't you liberals think it's the height of humor to call the President a Chimp? It sure was funny when you liberals called Bush "Chimpy" and I see you now calling Trump and his supporters "Trumpanzees" I just wanted to be one of the cool kids. So it's not okay to call Presidents Chimps?HHusky said:
Oh look. The guy who refers to our 44th President as "O'Chimp" is gonna lecture me about what I think.SFGbob said:
So you were a racist who responded to Reagan's racist dog whistle and that's why you voted for him. Got it. I knew it couldn't have been on account of your being a conservative because you're not a conservative.HHusky said:
What part of "conservative and non-conservative voters" confused you?SFGbob said:Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
And you dodged the question, where you a racist when you voted for Reagan?
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Exact same experience. School has assumed every year since 1st grade that my guys are all getting free lunch.RaceBannon said:Our kids were signed up for free lunch at school which meant yet another visit from me this time asking why they assumed I can't feed my children
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Don't over explain. Just slink away to your klan.SFGbob said:
Don't you liberals think it's the height of humor to call the President a Chimp? It sure was funny when you liberals called Bush "Chimpy" and I see you now calling Trump and his supporters "Trumpanzees" I just wanted to be one of the cool kids. So it's not okay to call Presidents Chimps?HHusky said:
Oh look. The guy who refers to our 44th President as "O'Chimp" is gonna lecture me about what I think.SFGbob said:
So you were a racist who responded to Reagan's racist dog whistle and that's why you voted for him. Got it. I knew it couldn't have been on account of your being a conservative because you're not a conservative.HHusky said:
What part of "conservative and non-conservative voters" confused you?SFGbob said:Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
But if I like fighting with you can I keep it?HHusky said:
You'll need to have this fight with someone who disagrees with you.RaceBannon said:
Huge swaths of liberals hear Black person when they hear welfareHHusky said:
A huge swath of conservative and non-conservative voters see a fat black woman, reclining on her couch (eating pastries?) when they hear the term "welfare queen". If you can't acknowledge that reality, you're pretending that you lived the last 40 years in this country without paying the slightest bit of attention. But I know you were paying attention, blob.SFGbob said:
And that's why HC thought Welfare reform was racist and why O'keefed tried to smear conservatives for thinking that thus their support for welfare reform.RaceBannon said:In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person -
Why do you keep dodging the question Kunt? Were you attracted to Reagan because you liked his "racist" rhetoric?HHusky said:
Don't over explain. Just slink away to your klan.SFGbob said:
Don't you liberals think it's the height of humor to call the President a Chimp? It sure was funny when you liberals called Bush "Chimpy" and I see you now calling Trump and his supporters "Trumpanzees" I just wanted to be one of the cool kids. So it's not okay to call Presidents Chimps?HHusky said:
Oh look. The guy who refers to our 44th President as "O'Chimp" is gonna lecture me about what I think.SFGbob said:
So you were a racist who responded to Reagan's racist dog whistle and that's why you voted for him. Got it. I knew it couldn't have been on account of your being a conservative because you're not a conservative.HHusky said:
What part of "conservative and non-conservative voters" confused you?SFGbob said:Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
Okay.RaceBannon said:
But if I like fighting with you can I keep it?HHusky said:
You'll need to have this fight with someone who disagrees with you.RaceBannon said:
Huge swaths of liberals hear Black person when they hear welfareHHusky said:
A huge swath of conservative and non-conservative voters see a fat black woman, reclining on her couch (eating pastries?) when they hear the term "welfare queen". If you can't acknowledge that reality, you're pretending that you lived the last 40 years in this country without paying the slightest bit of attention. But I know you were paying attention, blob.SFGbob said:
And that's why HC thought Welfare reform was racist and why O'keefed tried to smear conservatives for thinking that thus their support for welfare reform.RaceBannon said:In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
Taylor's own racial reality is much harder to pin down, however. Born Martha Miller, she was listed as white in the 1930 Census, just like everyone else in her family. But she had darker skin and darker hair. People who knew her family told Levin that she had Native American ancestry. One of her husbands, who was black, said she could look like an Asian woman at times. Another earlier husband and ostensible father to some of her children was white, and during that marriage she gave birth to kids who alternately appeared black, unmistakably white, or racially ambiguous. At times she posed as a Jewish woman. In one photo, she has long, blonde hair.
"She was white according to official records and in the view of certain family members who couldn't imagine it any other way," Levin writes. " She was black (or colored, or a Negro) when it suited her needs, or when someone saw a woman they didn't think, or didn't want to think, could possibly be Caucasian."
I don't know about imagination but just about every liberal I engage with assumes "welfare recipient" means Black person -
Left wing isn't a race. I was trying to rescue America from people like you. Some things never change.SFGbob said:
Why do you keep dodging the question Kunt? Were you attracted to Reagan because you liked his "racist" rhetoric?HHusky said:
Don't over explain. Just slink away to your klan.SFGbob said:
Don't you liberals think it's the height of humor to call the President a Chimp? It sure was funny when you liberals called Bush "Chimpy" and I see you now calling Trump and his supporters "Trumpanzees" I just wanted to be one of the cool kids. So it's not okay to call Presidents Chimps?HHusky said:
Oh look. The guy who refers to our 44th President as "O'Chimp" is gonna lecture me about what I think.SFGbob said:
So you were a racist who responded to Reagan's racist dog whistle and that's why you voted for him. Got it. I knew it couldn't have been on account of your being a conservative because you're not a conservative.HHusky said:
What part of "conservative and non-conservative voters" confused you?SFGbob said:Speak for yourself Kunt. You were the person who voted for the "racist" Reagan, not me.
You really need to stop projecting your own racism onto others. You have no idea what a huge "swath" of people think O'Keefed.
And if it were just Conservatives who thought it, why the fuck did HC think it when he heard "welfare reform."
Were you a racist when you voted for Reagan? -
So you heard the racist dog whistle and you liked it, it called you.
You know what's interesting O'Keefed, despite all the years you and I have been posting on the same board, in the hundreds of times I've seen liberals like HC trash Reagan as a racist, you've never refuted them, not once.
Weird the way such a HUGE Reagan supporter such as yourself would sit by silently when liberals trash the only piece of evidence you have to support your self-professed claim of being a Conservative.
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Reagan was a racist and his welfare baiting was aimed to secure the vote of whites resentful of civil rights and the great society that uplifted black Americans. Fuck off.
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I'm hearing that things are worse than ever for Black AmericansHardlyClothed said:Reagan was a racist and his welfare baiting was aimed to secure the vote of whites resentful of civil rights and the great society that uplifted black Americans. Fuck off.
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And you lied about what he said about the Welfare Queen and you've lied about Clinton "gutting" Welfare but take his word now boys, Reagan was a racist.HardlyClothed said:Reagan was a racist and his welfare baiting was aimed to secure the vote of whites resentful of civil rights and the great society that uplifted black Americans. Fuck off.
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Did Reagan capture the white racist vote? Obviously he did. Where the Hell do you think the "Moral Majority" came from anyway? But that doesn't mean I think his voters were mostly racists.SFGbob said:So you heard the racist dog whistle and you liked it, it called you.
You know what's interesting O'Keefed, despite all the years you and I have been posting on the same board, in the hundreds of times I've seen liberals like HC trash Reagan as a racist, you've never refuted them, not once.
Weird the way such a HUGE Reagan supporter such as yourself would sit by silently when liberals trash the only piece of evidence you have to support your self-professed claim of being a Conservative.
Did his campaign play to working class white anxiety? Yes. Of course it did. But that doesn't mean I think he was a racist.
The objective is to get elected. You have to be polite to some of the most dreadful people. It's an awful process, only slightly better than the alternative. -
Why are you telling me this? I'm not the one calling Reagan a racist.HHusky said:
Did Reagan capture the white racist vote? Obviously he did. Where the Hell do you think the "Moral Majority" came from anyway? But that doesn't mean I think his voters were mostly racists.SFGbob said:So you heard the racist dog whistle and you liked it, it called you.
You know what's interesting O'Keefed, despite all the years you and I have been posting on the same board, in the hundreds of times I've seen liberals like HC trash Reagan as a racist, you've never refuted them, not once.
Weird the way such a HUGE Reagan supporter such as yourself would sit by silently when liberals trash the only piece of evidence you have to support your self-professed claim of being a Conservative.
Did his campaign play to working class white anxiety? Yes. Of course it did. But that doesn't mean I think he was a racist.
The objective is to get elected. You have to be polite to some of the most dreadful people. It's an awful process, only slightly better than the alternative. -
Neither am I. We agree on something.SFGbob said:
Why are you telling me this? I'm not the one calling Reagan a racist.HHusky said:
Did Reagan capture the white racist vote? Obviously he did. Where the Hell do you think the "Moral Majority" came from anyway? But that doesn't mean I think his voters were mostly racists.SFGbob said:So you heard the racist dog whistle and you liked it, it called you.
You know what's interesting O'Keefed, despite all the years you and I have been posting on the same board, in the hundreds of times I've seen liberals like HC trash Reagan as a racist, you've never refuted them, not once.
Weird the way such a HUGE Reagan supporter such as yourself would sit by silently when liberals trash the only piece of evidence you have to support your self-professed claim of being a Conservative.
Did his campaign play to working class white anxiety? Yes. Of course it did. But that doesn't mean I think he was a racist.
The objective is to get elected. You have to be polite to some of the most dreadful people. It's an awful process, only slightly better than the alternative.
