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Matt Taibbi's essay, "It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD"

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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,173
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    I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.

    While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.

    I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.
    You would

    If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass

    They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night

    They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
    If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.

    Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
    Are you one advocating for state-funded media?
    nice gotcha attempt
    Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.
    Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.

    Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.

    I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
    That's why the over the air Big Four aren't as insane as their cable outlets. Close though.

    Why is the Military Intelligence Complex the training ground for news experts on panel shows?

    That's a pretty big conflict right there

    Brennen was praised for wink wink knowing the real deal in his infamous the indictments are coming this week video

    He's just another hack

    CNN and MSNBC will never catch Fox because they'll never beat Fox out for olds who sit at home all day watching cable TV. I haven't even had cable for like 2 years.

    As far as military experts on television, I don't think we disagree. The trotting out of "retired" generals who later turned out to be on the Pentagon payroll to pimp the Invasion of Iraq was shameful. If you're trying to get me to defend cable news, we're going to be here for awhile. Same thing if you're trying to get me to defend Brennan.


    Most boomers are liberal
    I'd love to see where this is coming from
    How clueless are you?
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    No. They wasted two years watching about how none of that would happen.

    Still a collosal waste of fucking time, and you should be more aware of letting time get away from you. You probably only have a few more centuries left.
    I would bet a large sum that hondo watches more Fox than I do

    Once the election was over it was over

    I do enjoy some Tucker Carlson in moderation - once a week or so

    I get my news here, on twitter, and online
    Seriously, I don't think Hondo watches much of any news and what little information he gets he gleans from Yahoo News and Think Progress.

    At least part of what you said is true. No I don't watch cable news.
    Your go to source is Yahoo or your head up your ass or just flat-out lying. They all seem to work for you.
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    MariotaTheGawdMariotaTheGawd Member Posts: 1,441
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    I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.

    While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.

    I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.
    You would

    If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass

    They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night

    They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
    If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.

    Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
    Are you one advocating for state-funded media?
    nice gotcha attempt
    Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.
    Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.

    Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.

    I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
    That's why the over the air Big Four aren't as insane as their cable outlets. Close though.

    Why is the Military Intelligence Complex the training ground for news experts on panel shows?

    That's a pretty big conflict right there

    Brennen was praised for wink wink knowing the real deal in his infamous the indictments are coming this week video

    He's just another hack

    CNN and MSNBC will never catch Fox because they'll never beat Fox out for olds who sit at home all day watching cable TV. I haven't even had cable for like 2 years.

    As far as military experts on television, I don't think we disagree. The trotting out of "retired" generals who later turned out to be on the Pentagon payroll to pimp the Invasion of Iraq was shameful. If you're trying to get me to defend cable news, we're going to be here for awhile. Same thing if you're trying to get me to defend Brennan.


    Most boomers are liberal
    I'd love to see where this is coming from
    How clueless are you?
    Most people 55+ are liberals? Lol and you call me clueless
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,173
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    I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.

    While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.

    I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.
    You would

    If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass

    They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night

    They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
    If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.

    Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
    Are you one advocating for state-funded media?
    nice gotcha attempt
    Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.
    Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.

    Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.

    I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
    That's why the over the air Big Four aren't as insane as their cable outlets. Close though.

    Why is the Military Intelligence Complex the training ground for news experts on panel shows?

    That's a pretty big conflict right there

    Brennen was praised for wink wink knowing the real deal in his infamous the indictments are coming this week video

    He's just another hack

    CNN and MSNBC will never catch Fox because they'll never beat Fox out for olds who sit at home all day watching cable TV. I haven't even had cable for like 2 years.

    As far as military experts on television, I don't think we disagree. The trotting out of "retired" generals who later turned out to be on the Pentagon payroll to pimp the Invasion of Iraq was shameful. If you're trying to get me to defend cable news, we're going to be here for awhile. Same thing if you're trying to get me to defend Brennan.


    Most boomers are liberal
    I'd love to see where this is coming from
    How clueless are you?
    Most people 55+ are liberals? Lol and you call me clueless
    Most boomers are liberals is what I said

    And you are clueless
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,739
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    2001400ex said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    That you are correct about. They watched two years of how Hillary is a criminal even tho she lost and important stuff like Elizabeth Warren's heritage. Such the important news of our time.
    If I were @Swaye, you'd be tied up in wet rawhide and left in the sun for the buzzards, you fuck.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,739
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    2001400ex said:

    dflea said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    No. They wasted two years watching about how none of that would happen.

    Still a collosal waste of fucking time, and you should be more aware of letting time get away from you. You probably only have a few more centuries left.
    I would bet a large sum that hondo watches more Fox than I do

    Once the election was over it was over

    I do enjoy some Tucker Carlson in moderation - once a week or so

    I get my news here, on twitter, and online
    Truth be told. I picture you more as a person sitting on a rocking chair listening to Rush, Micheal Reagan, Sean hannity and Michael Savage on the old AM radio all day.
    I picture you doing the same, and cowering in fear.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    2001400ex said:

    dflea said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    No. They wasted two years watching about how none of that would happen.

    Still a collosal waste of fucking time, and you should be more aware of letting time get away from you. You probably only have a few more centuries left.
    I would bet a large sum that hondo watches more Fox than I do

    Once the election was over it was over

    I do enjoy some Tucker Carlson in moderation - once a week or so

    I get my news here, on twitter, and online
    Truth be told. I picture you more as a person sitting on a rocking chair listening to Rush, Micheal Reagan, Sean hannity and Michael Savage on the old AM radio all day.
    I picture you doing the same, and cowering in fear.
    In fear of what?
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    Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,578
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dflea said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    No. They wasted two years watching about how none of that would happen.

    Still a collosal waste of fucking time, and you should be more aware of letting time get away from you. You probably only have a few more centuries left.
    I would bet a large sum that hondo watches more Fox than I do

    Once the election was over it was over

    I do enjoy some Tucker Carlson in moderation - once a week or so

    I get my news here, on twitter, and online
    Truth be told. I picture you more as a person sitting on a rocking chair listening to Rush, Micheal Reagan, Sean hannity and Michael Savage on the old AM radio all day.
    I picture you doing the same, and cowering in fear.
    In fear of what?
    Pussy
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dflea said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    No. They wasted two years watching about how none of that would happen.

    Still a collosal waste of fucking time, and you should be more aware of letting time get away from you. You probably only have a few more centuries left.
    I would bet a large sum that hondo watches more Fox than I do

    Once the election was over it was over

    I do enjoy some Tucker Carlson in moderation - once a week or so

    I get my news here, on twitter, and online
    Truth be told. I picture you more as a person sitting on a rocking chair listening to Rush, Micheal Reagan, Sean hannity and Michael Savage on the old AM radio all day.
    I picture you doing the same, and cowering in fear.
    In fear of what?
    Women. Guns. Self-Reliance. Construction Workers. Responsibility. Republicans. To name just a few.
    Thanks for sharing.
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,060
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dflea said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    No. They wasted two years watching about how none of that would happen.

    Still a collosal waste of fucking time, and you should be more aware of letting time get away from you. You probably only have a few more centuries left.
    I would bet a large sum that hondo watches more Fox than I do

    Once the election was over it was over

    I do enjoy some Tucker Carlson in moderation - once a week or so

    I get my news here, on twitter, and online
    Truth be told. I picture you more as a person sitting on a rocking chair listening to Rush, Micheal Reagan, Sean hannity and Michael Savage on the old AM radio all day.
    I picture you doing the same, and cowering in fear.
    In fear of what?
    Women. Guns. Self-Reliance. Construction Workers. Responsibility. Republicans. To name just a few.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Sharing is caring.
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    Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,578
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    Unrelated but I have the song "goodbye to you" by mihcelle branch stuck in my head. I dont think I've heard it in about 15 years and dont even like it. Very strange. Very very strange.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,655
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dflea said:

    No, they aren't.

    They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both

    No. They wasted two years watching about how none of that would happen.

    Still a collosal waste of fucking time, and you should be more aware of letting time get away from you. You probably only have a few more centuries left.
    I would bet a large sum that hondo watches more Fox than I do

    Once the election was over it was over

    I do enjoy some Tucker Carlson in moderation - once a week or so

    I get my news here, on twitter, and online
    Truth be told. I picture you more as a person sitting on a rocking chair listening to Rush, Micheal Reagan, Sean hannity and Michael Savage on the old AM radio all day.
    I picture you doing the same, and cowering in fear.
    In fear of what?
    Women. Guns. Self-Reliance. Construction Workers. Responsibility. Republicans. To name just a few.
    Personal responsibility scares Hondo like nothing else.
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