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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,501 Founders Club
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
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    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,501 Founders Club
    edited March 2019
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.




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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.




    @WilburHooksHands
    Yet they never faced the Bulls in the playoffs during the Bulls run.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.




    @WilburHooksHands
    Yet they never faced the Bulls in the playoffs during the Bulls run.
    And?
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.




    @WilburHooksHands
    The Sonics owned them.
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  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    Sonics did own the Rockets, but Rockets were the only team that could have beaten the Bulls.
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    WilburHooksHands said:

    Sonics did own the Rockets, but Rockets were the only team that could have beaten the Bulls.

    Nobody was beating the Bulls at full strength.
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  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    HillsboroDuck said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    Sonics did own the Rockets, but Rockets were the only team that could have beaten the Bulls.

    Nobody was beating the Bulls at full strength.
    respectfully disagree
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    WilburHooksHands said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    Sonics did own the Rockets, but Rockets were the only team that could have beaten the Bulls.

    Nobody was beating the Bulls at full strength.
    respectfully disagree
    Not the 91-93 or 96 Bulls anyway. 98, sure.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    HillsboroDuck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.




    @WilburHooksHands
    The Sonics owned them.
    And Houston owned everyone else

    The point is they were cocky and confident. Watch the show on them. They owned Chicago regular season and they knew it

    And they didn't do this


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  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    edited March 2019
    https://youtu.be/17T30S22Szg
    https://youtu.be/eywwdbDB1hE

    hth

    edit: Maxwell an x factor, he was an assassin and had zero fear of Jordan
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.




    @WilburHooksHands
    The Sonics owned them.


    Too soon.
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  • ToddTurnerLIVES
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    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth youf, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,066
    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    Don't be an idiot.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.
    The Blazers blew a 17 point 3rd quarter lead in game 6 of 1992, or that series would have gone 7
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,144
    RaceBannon said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    https://youtu.be/17T30S22Szg
    https://youtu.be/eywwdbDB1hE

    hth

    edit: Maxwell an x factor, he was an assassin and had zero fear of Jordan

    And Maxwell was the weak link against Seattle. The Glove could get him to lose all focus.

    Those were great times and interesting match ups.

    As Houston went for the three peat they got swept out by the Sonics

    Peyton is probably under rated even though players of his era know how good he was

    And to the OP

    Barkley tortured Kemp when Shawn was a baby in the league. He get three fouls on him in about 2 minutes holding up a finger for each one

    Barkley had to use his wits because Kemp was so talented. By the 96 playoffs Barkley was on the Houston team the Sonics swept
    Barkley wasn’t on the 96 Rockets. He came the next year when the Rockets beat the Sonics in the 2nd round.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,144
    Kemp was good, but not great. It seems Seattle overrates their athletes worse than any city.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    greenblood said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.
    The Blazers blew a 17 point 3rd quarter lead in game 6 of 1992, or that series would have gone 7
    Which goes right into my "cockiness and confidence" comment. Portland were Pussies.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    2001400ex said:

    greenblood said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.
    The Blazers blew a 17 point 3rd quarter lead in game 6 of 1992, or that series would have gone 7
    Which goes right into my "cockiness and confidence" comment. Portland were Pussies.
    Nobody had more cockiness and confidence than the early 90s Pistons and Knicks. Jordan eventually conquered them all
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    HillsboroDuck said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Kemp was good, but not great. It seems Seattle overrates their athletes worse than any city.

    He was legitimately great against the Bulls in 96. His peak was extremely high (lol!), but far too brief.
    KEMP FINISHES A CLOSE SECOND IN MVP VOTING
    Terry Armour and Sam Smith
    CHICAGO TRIBUNE
    Shawn Kemp made a strong bid to become the just the second player ever to be awarded the MVP and play on the losing team in the Finals. In 27 years of awarding a Finals MVP, only the Lakers' Jerry West in 1969 in losing in seven games to the Celtics was named MVP. Since then the MVP has been from the winning team every year.

    Kemp averaged 23.3 points and 9.7 rebounds

    "When you lose you try to learn from your mistakes and build on them," said Kemp, who was runner-up to Michael Jordan for MVP. "I think I became a smarter player and made better decisions. Making it to the Finals was the hardest work. You have to go out and play the physical and mental game. We realize that."

    That's what made Wally World hurt so bad. Sam Smith was/is a noted MJ honk and he thought Kemp was great
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    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    greenblood said:

    2001400ex said:

    greenblood said:

    2001400ex said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    My favorite NBA player of all tim. As a youth, I used to see him driving through Magnolia with the top down in his all-white Mustang GT convertible. Fuck Wally Walker. Ruined Kemp's career and the Sonics franchise, and it all started with the horrendous McIlvaine contract.

    That McIlvaine thing might have cost Seattle a NBA title
    100% agree. By 1998, the Bulls were running on fumes. Lucky for them they faced an old Jazz team that couldn't run in the Finals.
    Some people have looked at me like I'm crazy, but if George Karl put Gary on MJ the entire series (in '96), the Sonics would have taken that to 7 games.
    I went to a game in that era. It was the first year back in key arena after being in Tacoma. Bulls were up with under a minute to go and had the ball. Jordan was dribbling up by half court, Gary was on him. Gary straight went at Jordan and took the ball and went down and made the layup. Was the craziest shit I've seen in key arena.

    I don't know that we would have taken them to 7, but we were the only team that decade that had the cockiness and confidence to beat the Bulls.
    The Blazers blew a 17 point 3rd quarter lead in game 6 of 1992, or that series would have gone 7
    Which goes right into my "cockiness and confidence" comment. Portland were Pussies.
    Nobody had more cockiness and confidence than the early 90s Pistons and Knicks. Jordan eventually conquered them all
    Did you forget about the 1995, 1990 and 1989 seasons? Hell even 1994 without Jordan they win over 50 games.
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  • DerekJohnson
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    RaceBannon said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    https://youtu.be/17T30S22Szg
    https://youtu.be/eywwdbDB1hE

    hth

    edit: Maxwell an x factor, he was an assassin and had zero fear of Jordan

    And Maxwell was the weak link against Seattle. The Glove could get him to lose all focus.

    Those were great times and interesting match ups.

    As Houston went for the three peat they got swept out by the Sonics

    Peyton is probably under rated even though players of his era know how good he was

    And to the OP

    Barkley tortured Kemp when Shawn was a baby in the league. He get three fouls on him in about 2 minutes holding up a finger for each one

    Barkley had to use his wits because Kemp was so talented. By the 96 playoffs Barkley was on the Houston team the Sonics swept
    If Gary Payton had played in his prime for the New York Knicks, he would be hailed as one of the top five players of all time (whether true or not)
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