Freezing in the dark. It's what's for supper.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/03/the-folly-of-solar-energy.php
The Folly of Solar Energy
The late January brownout in central Minnesota, during a time of Arctic cold, showed that reliance on “green” energy can be life-threatening. Xcel Energy instructed customers to turn thermostats down to 60 degrees and refrain from using hot water. Xcel went so far as to put some customers up in hotels.
Investigation of the brownout has been informative. The principal problem, given that Minnesota has invested massively in wind energy, was that the wind wasn’t blowing. But there was another problem, too, which came out in testimony before the state’s Public Utilities Commission by an Xcel official. My colleague Isaac Orr explains:
During their testimony, Xcel Energy representatives stated that the company’s solar panels only produced 8 to 10 percent of their potential output because of snow cover.
Everyone understands, I suppose, that solar panels can’t produce electricity at night–which, coincidentally, is when we need to turn lights on. It is less well recognized that in the North, solar panels are also more or less useless during the Winter. But, you may ask, can’t they be cleared off and thus made functional?
Xcel Energy posted a profit of $1.1 billion in 2017, and you’re telling me they can’t pay a high-schooler to scrape off their solar panels for a little extra cash?***To me, the fact Xcel didn’t bother to clear the snow off their solar panels suggests they didn’t think it was worth it, from a cost/benefit standpoint.
I suspect that is exactly right. Utilities know that solar energy is a joke. So, why do they lobby for legislation requiring them to build ever more solar farms?
Yet, Xcel wants to build more solar because they get a guaranteed 7.5 percent profit on every dollar they spend on power plants, including solar panels, whether they produce electricity or not.
Some naive observers assume that the fact that utilities lobby to be required to build wind and solar facilities means they must be a good idea. On the contrary: if they were a good idea, utilities wouldn’t have to lobby to be forced to construct them.
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Can we just burn wood? Because people will be burning wood.
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You will be shot for religious apostasy. Killing trees and burning wood to release CO2 will be verboten.
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If I like my wood I can’t keep it?WestlinnDuck said:You will be shot for religious apostasy. Killing trees and burning wood to release CO2 will be verboten.
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The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
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What do you think of this? http://energystorage.org/compressed-air-energy-storage-caesPurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use. -
I like nuclear power.
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#metoo. But AOC has taken that off the table. She’s in charge.dflea said:I like nuclear power.
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Haven't seen that. Just looked at a lithium battery based solution. Chinese technology.MikeDamone said:
What do you think of this? http://energystorage.org/compressed-air-energy-storage-caesPurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
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Bitch.MikeDamone said:
#metoo. But AOC has taken that off the table. She’s in charge.dflea said:I like nuclear power.
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Hell no!! Smoke from a wood fire pollutes the atmosphere. You crazy bro?MikeDamone said:
If I like my wood I can’t keep it?WestlinnDuck said:You will be shot for religious apostasy. Killing trees and burning wood to release CO2 will be verboten.
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You can take my wood from my cold dead hand!!jecornel said:
Hell no!! Smoke from a wood fire pollutes the atmosphere. You crazy bro?MikeDamone said:
If I like my wood I can’t keep it?WestlinnDuck said:You will be shot for religious apostasy. Killing trees and burning wood to release CO2 will be verboten.
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I burn wood. Works great!MikeDamone said:Can we just burn wood? Because people will be burning wood.
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If liberal Bullshit was energy the supply is unlimited.Sledog said:
I burn wood. Works great!MikeDamone said:Can we just burn wood? Because people will be burning wood.
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That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work. -
Misleading article. The Xcel brownouts in Minnesota and Colorado had nothing to do with "the wind not blowing". It looks like it's a pressure issue on their natural gas supply system that only impacted customers with natural gas primary heat.
http://m.startribune.com/xcel-also-had-natural-gas-transmission-issue-in-colorado/505798472/
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The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
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Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology? -
Where did the government get the money invested?2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology?
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Not from you.Sledog said:
Where did the government get the money invested?2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology? -
The Throbber is old and rich. Writing a check isn't a problem.2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology?
I was trying to help you poors.
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I'm not sure that answers the question.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is old and rich. Writing a check isn't a problem.2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology?
I was trying to help you poors. -
My clean water comes from a well on my own property. My shit goes into a septic field.2001400ex said:
I'm not sure that answers the question.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is old and rich. Writing a check isn't a problem.2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology?
I was trying to help you poors.
I'm fairly certain a good chunk of my gas tax goes to pay for that interstate system.
Next question?
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No, the roads are shit and the water has heavy metals in it.2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology?
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There is a proven solar conversion technology today, that has zero carbon emissions and has inherent storage capabilities.
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How many Rivers are left to dam? Yellowstone..... Got any others?GrundleStiltzkin said:There is a proven solar conversion technology today, that has zero carbon emissions and has inherent storage capabilities.
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You still didn't answer the question. Why do you hate investment in technology?PurpleThrobber said:
My clean water comes from a well on my own property. My shit goes into a septic field.2001400ex said:
I'm not sure that answers the question.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is old and rich. Writing a check isn't a problem.2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology?
I was trying to help you poors.
I'm fairly certain a good chunk of my gas tax goes to pay for that interstate system.
Next question? -
The Throbber has gone on record many times saying the government needs to fast forward building out 9G-like networks much as they did with the interstate freeway system in the 50's and 60's. Run it like a utility with rate commissions and access to the more rural areas that companies like Comcast won't build out.2001400ex said:
You still didn't answer the question. Why do you hate investment in technology?PurpleThrobber said:
My clean water comes from a well on my own property. My shit goes into a septic field.2001400ex said:
I'm not sure that answers the question.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is old and rich. Writing a check isn't a problem.2001400ex said:
Do you like the interstate you drive on? Do you like the clean water you drink?PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber already has solar at the guns and religion compound and gets those credits - so go read again about power being sold onto the grid. Works great selling out into the grid - at non peak prices.2001400ex said:
That's all well and good. But if you install solar on your home, what you actually do is get credits for the electricity you provide above your current usage. So at night you pull off the grid.PurpleThrobber said:The problem with solar and wind is storage. Production is fine - but it gets sold out onto the grid during non-peak usage times - so power produced is never going to bring top dollar on the market. In the case of residences or office buildings, the power generated needs to be stored for later use at the same site.
There's some technology coming down the pike for static storage facilities where the batteries are similar to, like, server racks. For a single family home, the racks approximately 10 feet high by maybe 3 feet square. My understanding is that stores about 40 hours of typical use.
That being said, better battery technology is necessary for any of this to work.
It doesn't do jack when the power goes out - cost prohibitive to install the old technology battery backups.
The newer lithium based stuff will be helpful. Still super expensive unless the greenies want to include that in their tax credit package.
Why do you enjoy those investments made by the government. But hate government investment in technology?
I was trying to help you poors.
I'm fairly certain a good chunk of my gas tax goes to pay for that interstate system.
Next question?
Because you have no remembrance is a you problem, not a me problem.
Again, the Throbber is old and rich and pays through the nose for high speed internet access at the G&R compound. So, again, The throbber is looking out for the poors.
Because the throbber is cool like dat.
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The article is not misleading. We have under invested in natural gas pipelines in favor of wind and solar. Also taking base load coal off line has created to the base load problem. What is outright ignorance is trying to defend what happened. What then moves into outright stupidity is doubling or tripling down on the fantasy that we can take all baseline production off line.
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We wont be building any interstate freeways under Chairman Cortez
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If I like my travois, can I keep it?RaceBannon said:We wont be building any interstate freeways under Chairman Cortez
Horse trails.
