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So far in the BOTBs, the #1 seeds have won 4 of 5.

Rock / #1 Led Zeppelin
Rap / #1 2 Pac
Cuntry / #1 Johnny Cash
Soul / #1 Stevie Wonder

Only outlier is #4 Motörhead winning Metal. The fuck was @UW_Doog_Bot thinking with that 4 seed anyhow?

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  • Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club

    Can't be blamed for Metal having a deeper field than other genres.

    I think Metal NIT was a mor evenly matched field. You have to remember that the three biggest metal bands of all tim were already covered in the Rock tournament. If Metallica, Sabbath and AC DC had been in a metal tournament they would have butt fucked the competition.
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    i'm sad i missed the metal one
  • Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club

    i'm sad i missed the metal one

    There’s more than a few metal heads here.
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    I’ve enjoyed these BOTBs immensely, but I’m not surprised most of them went straight chalk. (Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing BTW, many of the polls came down to the wire, and had interesting debates in the game threads.)

    It might be fun for a change of pace to do something like a music video or movie soundtrack tourney. Those might lend themselves to a few more upsets.
  • Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club

    I’ve enjoyed these BOTBs immensely, but I’m not surprised most of them went straight chalk. (Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing BTW, many of the polls came down to the wire, and had interesting debates in the game threads.)

    It might be fun for a change of pace to do something like a music video or movie soundtrack tourney. Those might lend themselves to a few more upsets.

    @Gladstone proposed a poaster popularity tournament once. But the non Dwag bracket is a little weak right now given the bans and quitting.
  • Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter

    @Gladstone proposed a poaster popularity tournament once. But the non Dwag bracket is a little weak right now given the bans and quitting.
    Well, we all know @MariotaTheGawd would sweep that bracket.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,687 Swaye's Wigwam

    Well, we all know @MariotaTheGawd would sweep that bracket.
    The four #1 seeds:

    Mariotathegawd

    Bearcats1947261959 or whatever

    Strong ballz

    PumpyDJdawgsteelheadersugarlove

    Post mortem, honorary, lifetime achievment, #16 seeds:

    OBK, Mosster, gridiron, spooge.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,223 Founders Club

    I think Metal NIT was a mor evenly matched field. You have to remember that the three biggest metal bands of all tim were already covered in the Rock tournament. If Metallica, Sabbath and AC DC had been in a metal tournament they would have butt fucked the competition.
    AC DC not metal. I'm not sure that Sabbath would have beat Motorhead or even the other final four. They are largely recognized as the progenitors of metal but few people I know would consider them "the best" of the genre. Metallica would have definitely swept the tournament but also only because of main stream recognition and appeal to this group of voters. In a truly metal head tournament the likelihood of a Maiden or Motorhead upset is still really high. Plenty of people really don't like post-black album Metallica.
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    AC DC not metal.
    🎯

    Plenty of people really don't like post-black album Metallica.
    💯
  • Member Posts: 48,138 Standard Supporter

    🎯 💯
    Always about the blacks with you...

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    Need a Psychedelic or Jam Band BOTB. Grateful Dead, Phish, Frank Zappa, etc.
  • Member Posts: 9,186
    alumni94 said:

    Need a Psychedelic or Jam Band BOTB. Grateful Dead, Phish, Frank Zappa, etc.

    #FreeHarv
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    Motorhead is cool and all, but they've basically been recording the same album for 40 years. Maiden or Metallica work for me, although I don't really find myself listening to either anymore
  • Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club

    AC DC not metal. I'm not sure that Sabbath would have beat Motorhead or even the other final four. They are largely recognized as the progenitors of metal but few people I know would consider them "the best" of the genre. Metallica would have definitely swept the tournament but also only because of main stream recognition and appeal to this group of voters. In a truly metal head tournament the likelihood of a Maiden or Motorhead upset is still really high. Plenty of people really don't like post-black album Metallica.
    You serious, Clark?

    Of all rock & roll's myriad forms, heavy metal is the most extreme in terms of volume, machismo, and theatricality. There are numerous stylistic variations on heavy metal's core sound, but they're all tied together by a reliance on loud, distorted guitars (usually playing repeated riffs) and simple, pounding rhythms. Heavy metal has been controversial nearly throughout its existence -- critics traditionally dismissed the music as riddled with over-the-top adolescent theatrics, and conservative groups have often protested what they perceive as evil lyrical content. Still, despite -- or perhaps because of -- those difficulties, heavy metal has become one of the most consistently popular forms of rock music ever created, able to adapt to the times yet keep its core appeal intact. For all its status as America's rebellion soundtrack of choice, heavy metal was largely a British creation. The first seeds of heavy metal were sown in the British blues movement of the '60s, specifically among bands who found it hard to adjust to the natural swing of American blues. The rhythms became more squared-off, and the amplified electric instruments became more important, especially with the innovations of artists like the Kinks, the Who, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, and the Jeff Beck Group. Arguably the first true metal band, however, was Led Zeppelin. Initially, Zep played blues tunes heavier and louder than anyone ever had, and soon created an epic, textured brand of heavy rock that drew from many musical sources. Less subtle but perhaps even more influential was Black Sabbath, whose murky, leaden guitar riffs created a doomy fantasy world obsessed with drugs, death, and the occult. Following the blueprint laid down by Zep and Sabbath, several American bands modified heavy metal into more accessible forms during the '70s: the catchy tunes and outrageous stage shows of Alice Cooper and Kiss; the sleazy boogie of Aerosmith; and the flashy guitar leads and wild party rock of Van Halen (not to mention the distinctively minimalist grooves of Australia's AC/DC). In the late '70s, a cache of British bands dubbed the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (including Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Motorhead) started playing metal faster, leaner, and with more menace than ever before. They helped influence a new American metal scene known as thrash in the '80s, which took shape as a reaction to metal's new mainstream pop breakthrough, which came courtesy of Def Leppard's Pyromania. Metal enjoyed its greatest presence on the charts during the '80s, thanks to a raft of glammed-up pop-metal bands, but thrash bands played complex riffs at breakneck speed, sometimes dispensing with vocal melody altogether. Thrashers like Metallica and Megadeth built rabid cult followings that pushed them into the mainstream around the same time that grunge wiped pop-metal off the charts. Mainstream metal in the '90s centered around a new hybrid called alternative metal, which (in its most commercially potent form) combined grinding thrash and grunge influences with hip-hop and industrial flourishes, though it broke with metal's past in downplaying the importance of memorable riffs. Meanwhile, the underground grew harsher and bleaker, producing two similar, thrash-derived styles known as death metal and black metal, which produced some of the most abrasive, intense, hyperspeed music and graphic shock tactics the metal world had yet witnessed.

    https://www.allmusic.com/style/heavy-metal-ma0000002721
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    The first metal band was Sabbath. I didn't think that was even in dispute

    Some people say that in order for something to be considered metal, you need to be able to draw a direct lineage from Black Sabbath to the band in question. I can't say I really disagree.
  • Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club
    alumni94 said:

    Need a Psychedelic or Jam Band BOTB. Grateful Dead, Phish, Frank Zappa, etc.

    Too niche. Would basically be you, me and @Dardanus

    Few like the Dead here. Fewer like Zappa.
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    Too niche. Would basically be you, me and @Dardanus

    Few like the Dead here. Fewer like Zappa.
    I love Zappa but have never heard of BOTB.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,793 Swaye's Wigwam

    Too niche. Would basically be you, me and @Dardanus

    Few like the Dead here. Fewer like Zappa.
    Mrs. Lebam hates the dead but got me the entire dead collection.
    Freak Out, Absolutely Free, We're Only In it For the Money, Sheik Yerbouti are classics

    Hot Rats, Weasels Ripped My Flesh and Rueben and the Jets are close to classics.

    Trouble Everyday has just as much to say today as in 67 when it first came out.
    I was just wondering, what's got into you?
  • Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club
    LebamDawg said:

    Mrs. Lebam hates the dead but got me the entire dead collection.
    Freak Out, Absolutely Free, We're Only In it For the Money, Sheik Yerbouti are classics

    Hot Rats, Weasels Ripped My Flesh and Rueben and the Jets are close to classics.

    Trouble Everyday has just as much to say today as in 67 when it first came out.
    I was just wondering, what's got into you?
    Hot Rats is the shit. Gumbo Variations is some tight jazz rock, noodling.

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