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College, a serious question. Do your boys have to play with girls in these no score league's?
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Yes.puppylove_sugarsteel said:College, a serious question. Do your boys have to play with girls in these no score league's?
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So what?CollegeDoog said:
Disagree. I work my ass off. Not sure how you could speculate that from an online sports forum.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog:
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.
"Scarring for life" is a bit extreme. It's more about having a sporting experience ruined by a myopic adult.
It's obviously secondary to much worse parenting problems. But part of being a kid is playing sports, and adults too often lose sight of that and make it about themselves.
When it comes to yelling, for me personally and other kids playing sports, it's not as effective as other methods of teaching. There are plenty of child psychology studies that show that style does more harm than it helps. Psychological intimidation of a child by an adult isn't accepted in other parts of our society, why do we so freely accept it in coaching? The kind of emotional maturity you talk about that allows kids to respond better to that style probably isn't developed that early. I think by high school most are ready to deal with a coach like that, but before probably not.
I've always thought playing youth sports was about getting better and enjoying it with your friends, and of course winning. I found that I became better and enjoyed playing much more for coaches that were stern, but not abusive, and we actually won. The yellers were often losers.
I don't think you become tough or get soft by how a coach treats you. Tough people and soft people are just that way by nature.
I understand where you come from though. There are certainly people that respond well to yelling and confrontation. But too often coaches who are prone to demonstrative tactics to teach think it applies to everyone, when it doesn't.
It's all about pushing the right buttons.
And what do you want to do about it? Have the government ban what you think are abusive coaching tactics?
Jesus.
Yes, some kids will crumble and not respond and possible quit. Others will thrive. It's hardly the worst thing kids are going through in this country.
That show was created and edited in a way to become the outrage of the day. And it looks like it worked.
Most kids who do go on to compete at a high level (a real high level, not your PONY league) make extreme sacrifices and work 100 times harder than everyone else, and their coaches are relentless. If a kid doesn't like it, they will eventually quit. Even if the parents press them. There is also a point where everyone realizes even going D1 in a sport is rarified air that 99.9% of the kids in any given sport will never sniff.
Bela Karolyi makes these coaches look soft. -
Lol not surprised to see Damone missed the point.
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You have a point?CollegeDoog said:Lol not surprised to see Damone missed the point.
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Is this your point? I ask because it seems like there are multiple points you're trying to make in this thread.CollegeDoog said:
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog:
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids. -
It's not about the few kids who make it. It's about what the culture of competetive youth sports does to the majority of kids.
And by the way, tht PONY team that continued through high school sent two kids to Oregon State, one to UW, two more to D3 champs Linfield, another to Seattle U, and others to a variety of schools. It was high level baseball.
The intense work ethic it takes to get there isn't a product of an abusive coaching culture, it's from internal drive. A coach screaming in their face is irrelevant and more often a demotivating factor. Far more kids burn out because the culture around competetive youth sports makes them hate to play the game.
Most kids thrive without the external pressure we've misguidedly come to romanticize.
It's clear you're very disconnected to the current reality in youth sports. -
And by the way, tht PONY team that continued through high school sent two kids to Oregon State, one to UW, two more to D3 champs Linfield, another to Seattle U, and others to a variety of schools. It was high level baseball.
Where did you go? That's what I thought.It's clear you're very disconnected to the current reality in youth sports.
Clearly you don't have a clue about my wheelhouse. -
I had a chance to play baseball in college but I didn't want to. I was honesty burned out from the whole thing.
The problem with shithead coaches is that they compensate for a lack of actual constructive coaching skills, and why we need to stop revering the Schiano, Belicheck, Bear Bryant culture because most of the idiots who try to implement it are just that: idiots. -
So you weren't able to compete at a high level. That's what I thought. College "Uncle Rico" Doog.CollegeDoog said:I had a chance to play baseball in college but I didn't want to. I was honesty burned out from the whole thing.
The problem with shithead coaches is that they compensate for a lack of actual constructive coaching skills, and why we need to stop revering the Schiano, Belicheck, Bear Bryant culture because most of the idiots who try to implement it are just that: idiots. -
Faux tough guy dumbass coaches suck. Youth sports dads suck.Dardanus said:
Is this your point? I ask because it seems like there are multiple points you're trying to make in this thread.CollegeDoog said:
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog:
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
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You could have just said that.CollegeDoog said:
Faux tough guy dumbass coaches suck. Youth sports dads suck.Dardanus said:
Is this your point? I ask because it seems like there are multiple points you're trying to make in this thread.CollegeDoog said:
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog:
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
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Agreee, but parents can be encouraging and motivational without being Marv Marinovich. Sometimes kids need to be pushed more than they'd like.CollegeDoog said:
Faux tough guy dumbass coaches suck. Youth sports dads suck.Dardanus said:
Is this your point? I ask because it seems like there are multiple points you're trying to make in this thread.CollegeDoog said:
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog:
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
Coaches can motivate, sometimes by yelling, and still be effective teachers. There's a difference between motivating for the benefit of the kid and yelling to inflate the coach's ego. Good coaches know this difference. -
I ended up watching the first episode. I'm not going to watch it again, because it was boring, but it really wasn't that bad. One coach (the one talking about ripping their heads off) is a barbaric moron who should not be allowed near children or to coach football at any level. I don't think he knows a fucking thing about football, and he is a terrible coach. A guy that cries after losing a game between 9 year olds needs to DIAFF and is mentally ill. The rest of them were fine. They were aggressive and competitive at times, but I didn't see anything wrong with it. They were really no different from when I first started playing when I was 9.
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