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Electric cars do more environmental damage than gasoline powered cars and are worthless as fuck.

MikeDamone said:

Sledog said:

backthepack said:

allpurpleallgold said:

backthepack said:

They’ve literally created generators that are able to reuse radioactive waste, hth!

What could possibly go wrong.

Sorry your wind turbines won’t cut it!


Solar paneling sure but on a house by house basis.

That's just a new $40K per household tax. Of course all those solar panels go bad over time and you will have to pay it again down the road.

Everyone has 40k extra to do that and another 40K to buy a new electric only car you can't take on a trip right? Oh and since all your actual cars will be illegal you'll lose that money too. But hey those big electric semi's will still move our economy. Just at a decrease of 90% efficiency. And those electric cargo ships are gonna be special. Those deep water charging station every 50 miles will be cheap. But we'll have electric flying trains. Probably going to a lot of charging stop overs though.

Damn greedy developers won’t build affordable housing!!

That's okay, the government will just force lenders to give people low interest loans so that they can buy these homes. Or they will forced developers to make 20% of all the new houses they build low income housing and they'll cap the price of the home.

Sledog said:

SFGbob said:

MikeDamone said:

Sledog said:

backthepack said:

allpurpleallgold said:

backthepack said:

They’ve literally created generators that are able to reuse radioactive waste, hth!

What could possibly go wrong.

Sorry your wind turbines won’t cut it!


Solar paneling sure but on a house by house basis.

That's just a new $40K per household tax. Of course all those solar panels go bad over time and you will have to pay it again down the road.

Everyone has 40k extra to do that and another 40K to buy a new electric only car you can't take on a trip right? Oh and since all your actual cars will be illegal you'll lose that money too. But hey those big electric semi's will still move our economy. Just at a decrease of 90% efficiency. And those electric cargo ships are gonna be special. Those deep water charging station every 50 miles will be cheap. But we'll have electric flying trains. Probably going to a lot of charging stop overs though.

Damn greedy developers won’t build affordable housing!!

That's okay, the government will just force lenders to give people low interest loans so that they can buy these homes. Or they will forced developers to make 20% of all the new houses they build low income housing and they'll cap the price of the home.

None of this will happen of course because the lefty queers could never win the civil war that would erupt if the commies actually took over.

It already is happening to developers who try and build housing in many cities. You have to set aside a certain number of units as low income housing if you're planning on renting or sell them at below market if you're building Condos. The rest of the people renting or buying end up subsidizing the free loaders.

SFGbob said:

Sledog said:

SFGbob said:

MikeDamone said:

Sledog said:

backthepack said:

allpurpleallgold said:

backthepack said:

They’ve literally created generators that are able to reuse radioactive waste, hth!

What could possibly go wrong.

Sorry your wind turbines won’t cut it!


Solar paneling sure but on a house by house basis.

That's just a new $40K per household tax. Of course all those solar panels go bad over time and you will have to pay it again down the road.

Everyone has 40k extra to do that and another 40K to buy a new electric only car you can't take on a trip right? Oh and since all your actual cars will be illegal you'll lose that money too. But hey those big electric semi's will still move our economy. Just at a decrease of 90% efficiency. And those electric cargo ships are gonna be special. Those deep water charging station every 50 miles will be cheap. But we'll have electric flying trains. Probably going to a lot of charging stop overs though.

Damn greedy developers won’t build affordable housing!!

That's okay, the government will just force lenders to give people low interest loans so that they can buy these homes. Or they will forced developers to make 20% of all the new houses they build low income housing and they'll cap the price of the home.

None of this will happen of course because the lefty queers could never win the civil war that would erupt if the commies actually took over.

It already is happening to developers who try and build housing in many cities. You have to set aside a certain number of units as low income housing if you're planning on renting or sell them at below market if you're building Condos. The rest of the people renting or buying end up subsidizing the free loaders.

You didn't build that!

Sledog said:

SFGbob said:

MikeDamone said:

Sledog said:

backthepack said:

allpurpleallgold said:

backthepack said:

They’ve literally created generators that are able to reuse radioactive waste, hth!

What could possibly go wrong.

Sorry your wind turbines won’t cut it!


Solar paneling sure but on a house by house basis.

That's just a new $40K per household tax. Of course all those solar panels go bad over time and you will have to pay it again down the road.

Everyone has 40k extra to do that and another 40K to buy a new electric only car you can't take on a trip right? Oh and since all your actual cars will be illegal you'll lose that money too. But hey those big electric semi's will still move our economy. Just at a decrease of 90% efficiency. And those electric cargo ships are gonna be special. Those deep water charging station every 50 miles will be cheap. But we'll have electric flying trains. Probably going to a lot of charging stop overs though.

Damn greedy developers won’t build affordable housing!!

That's okay, the government will just force lenders to give people low interest loans so that they can buy these homes. Or they will forced developers to make 20% of all the new houses they build low income housing and they'll cap the price of the home.

None of this will happen of course because the lefty queers could never win the civil war that would erupt if the commies actually took over.

Chinned for "lefty queers."

2001400ex said:

dflea said:

allpurpleallgold said:

dflea said:

allpurpleallgold said:

backthepack said:

They’ve literally created generators that are able to reuse radioactive waste, hth!

What could possibly go wrong.

We could try to implement actions that will not work and we'll all fucking die squawking about whose fault it was. Righties and their love of fossil fuels, or lefties and their hatred of nuclear power. The funny part is it won't fucking matter, and the Earth will go on with us or without us. It's a fucking rock - it doesn't care.

That's what could go wrong.

I don’t hate nuclear, I’m frustrated by arguments that make it seem as if there is no downside.

Historically, nuclear power has been done poorly. That isn't a reason to believe it has to continue being done that way. Done correctly, there is very little downside to nuclear power - certainly comparable to implementing any power source on a large scale.

The downside to failing to significantly reduce greenhouse emissions is far greater and far more likely if nuclear power isn't a major player in your plan.

This is where I am too. When nuclear has failed, computers took up the size of a room. There's no reason we can't use current technology to make Nuclear power safe and efficient to bridge the gap to when more renewable energy is available.

The reality is, every single every source has a downside. Almost like nature's way of saying you don't get something for nothing.

- fossil fuels will run out and pollute the air.

- nuclear has the whole waste issue and radiation

- wind looks ugly, isn't constant, kills birds and apparently is the sole reason for the extinction of insects

- solar is expensive, takes a lot of room, and only works part of the day

- dams kill fish and most of the rivers are already damned

- tidal hasn't really been developed and not sure it will and I'm sure it'll kill fish too

- battery powered shit doesn't work for long hauls and still relies on one of the above power sources

When you look at the above, I think it's clear we should invest some in nuclear with current technology. Until we get better technology over batteries and efficiency of electricity. A lot of energy is wasted just in transmission lines, but we can't store the energy well under current technology anyway.

The question: is your John Holmes replica marital aid solar powered?

More nuclear hawt talk. Here's some numbers on how expensive it is:

$90/MWh for a new nuke
$48/MWh for a new natural gas plant
$48/MWh for wind with no incentives
$50/MWh for utility solar with no icentives

More nukes aren't an option unless new tech makes then cheaper. To be fair other countries can do it cheaper but no recent evidence suggests that US has figured it out. Existing nukes have a role to play but they're already having a tough time with cheap gas and renewables chipping away at their margins. If you're a nuke fan then you should also support a price on carbon.

A carbon free grid isn't economically realistic with technology we have today. We need a leap in either batteries or some other type of cheap, carbon free dispatchable resource. Investing in R & D would help. Without a cheap replacement for natural gas it's a cart before horse situation though.

Batteries IMO have the most promise. Relatively new tech that is advancing quickly. Cost is decreasing. No NIMBY concerns so much better for decentralization and microgrids. Can mostly solve problem of intermittent renewables. It ticks all the boxes but tech still isn't quite there yet though utilities are starting to price it into their resource plans.

Pitchfork51 said:

RedRocket said:

More nuclear hawt talk. Here's some numbers on how expensive it is:

$90/MWh for a new nuke
$48/MWh for a new natural gas plant
$48/MWh for wind with no incentives
$50/MWh for utility solar with no icentives

More nukes aren't an option unless new tech makes then cheaper. To be fair other countries can do it cheaper but no recent evidence suggests that US has figured it out. Existing nukes have a role to play but they're already having a tough time with cheap gas and renewables chipping away at their margins. If you're a nuke fan then you should also support a price on carbon.

A carbon free grid isn't economically realistic with technology we have today. We need a leap in either batteries or some other type of cheap, carbon free dispatchable resource. Investing in R & D would help. Without a cheap replacement for natural gas it's a cart before horse situation though.

Batteries IMO have the most promise. Relatively new tech that is advancing quickly. Cost is decreasing. No NIMBY concerns so much better for decentralization and microgrids. Can mostly solve problem of intermittent renewables. It ticks all the boxes but tech still isn't quite there yet though utilities are starting to price it into their resource plans.

Nuking you, your family, and your friends would be the best option. Cheap, effective.


*But not targeting a politcal or racial group of people.

Hope your dad is doing better 😉

allpurpleallgold said:

dflea said:

allpurpleallgold said:

dflea said:

allpurpleallgold said:

backthepack said:

They’ve literally created generators that are able to reuse radioactive waste, hth!

What could possibly go wrong.

We could try to implement actions that will not work and we'll all fucking die squawking about whose fault it was. Righties and their love of fossil fuels, or lefties and their hatred of nuclear power. The funny part is it won't fucking matter, and the Earth will go on with us or without us. It's a fucking rock - it doesn't care.

That's what could go wrong.

I don’t hate nuclear, I’m frustrated by arguments that make it seem as if there is no downside.

Historically, nuclear power has been done poorly. That isn't a reason to believe it has to continue being done that way. Done correctly, there is very little downside to nuclear power - certainly comparable to implementing any power source on a large scale.

The downside to failing to significantly reduce greenhouse emissions is far greater and far more likely if nuclear power isn't a major player in your plan.

Honestly, I would be surprised if nuclear doesn’t end up playing a larger role in it eventually. You have to remember this is a starting point not the finish line.

You negotiate by asking for everything so you can compromise down and still accomplish your goal. The biggest problem imo with the Democratic Party is moderates that want to start at sensible, not understanding that when you start there and then comprise what you get is ineffective, at best.

I think you are right, the biggest problem is the democratic party. Has been since it began.