Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
Exactly. You look at the deaths by state and you can’t correlate them with mandates. There are other variables to consider. For example, when saying Florida has a worse outcome then Washington, no one is adjusting for the age of the population. When looking at Mississippi’s poor outcomes, no one is adjusting for obesity and race.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
Exactly. You look at the deaths by state and you can’t correlate them with mandates. There are other variables to consider. For example, when saying Florida has a worse outcome then Washington, no one is adjusting for the age of the population. When looking at Mississippi’s poor outcomes, no one is adjusting for obesity and race.
When you factor in the average age of the people living in California and Florida there's hardly any difference in the death rates between the two states. Newsome is now out there crowing about what a great job he did in keeping California's death rate so low when compared to backwaters like Florida.
Age adjusted California, Illinois and Florida are all right next to each other in death rate. The lock down paradise of Michigan is about 20% higher than that group.
Georgia, New York, New Jersey and Ohio are all about 40% higher than the Florida group. It’s all a hot mess, which means we were right.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.
In my view, Mormon's substitute more food (particularly sugar) for no alcohol.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.
In my view, Mormon's substitute more food (particularly sugar) for no alcohol.
Could be Colorado, one of those p12 late addition schools has the healthiest population. The Polynesian Mormon factor makes me believe I was thinking Colorado but giving @89ute credit for running marathons
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.
Of all the shit the health “experts” and politicians trotted out…Lockdown, stay home, get multiple shots, don’t take horse meds, wear two masks….the ONE thing controllable thing that contributed the most to the morality is obesity. Did any of these assholes ever push this at all…no, they shut down gyms, golf, parks and beaches. Then fat obese fucks would lecture us on how those who disagreed with mandates where putting their lives in danger. Fuck the fuck off.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
Exactly. You look at the deaths by state and you can’t correlate them with mandates. There are other variables to consider. For example, when saying Florida has a worse outcome then Washington, no one is adjusting for the age of the population. When looking at Mississippi’s poor outcomes, no one is adjusting for obesity and race.
The Johns Hopkins study showed no material effect of lockdowns and mandates. If there were, that data would be pretty clear. The Great Barrington Declaration was spot on about our failed CDC approach to the chicom crud. Then toss in the intentional decision not to consider collateral effects of the lockdowns and mandates - suicide, addiction, weight gain, lost medical treatment and a lost close to two years of education and socialization for the kids. Why US small businesses should have been destroyed because old people and those with serious comorbidities could feel good the vast majority of Americans who had no more of a risk than from the regular H1N1 flu also had to be isolated is a question that the left doesn't want to answer.
This weekend two years ago I published the first ad in the Star Tribune expressing alarm at the policies adapted to fight the Covid-19 epidemic. The themes set forth in that ad have guided my education and advocacy efforts and my subsequent columns in that newspaper from the start of the epidemic. And the concerns expressed and the rationales for those concerns have been largely proven correct.
Respiratory virus transmission is impossible to stop — a lesson New Zealand, Hong Kong and China are still learning. Attempts to suppress the spread are futile. Such measures usually lead to unintended (perhaps, but certainly predictable) consequences that can be more devastating than the virus itself.
Normal life is upended, worsening health for those who are most ill, isolating the already lonely elderly, destroying educational and social development for children, leading to more drug and alcohol abuse and greater mental health issues. These harms go on for years and decades. None of this was mysterious or unknown. Any thoughtful, calm, rational response would have recognized these basic facts and issues. But instead we were served a hysterical, lemming-like overreaction which in the end did not protect most of the population from being infection or many from serious disease.
On behalf of the public, I would like an apology from those responsible for the disastrous handling of the epidemic response.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
Exactly. You look at the deaths by state and you can’t correlate them with mandates. There are other variables to consider. For example, when saying Florida has a worse outcome then Washington, no one is adjusting for the age of the population. When looking at Mississippi’s poor outcomes, no one is adjusting for obesity and race.
The Johns Hopkins study showed no material effect of lockdowns and mandates. If there were, that data would be pretty clear. The Great Barrington Declaration was spot on about our failed CDC approach to the chicom crud. Then toss in the intentional decision not to consider collateral effects of the lockdowns and mandates - suicide, addiction, weight gain, lost medical treatment and a lost close to two years of education and socialization for the kids. Why US small businesses should have been destroyed because old people and those with serious comorbidities could feel good the vast majority of Americans who had no more of a risk than from the regular H1N1 flu also had to be isolated is a question that the left doesn't want to answer.
This weekend two years ago I published the first ad in the Star Tribune expressing alarm at the policies adapted to fight the Covid-19 epidemic. The themes set forth in that ad have guided my education and advocacy efforts and my subsequent columns in that newspaper from the start of the epidemic. And the concerns expressed and the rationales for those concerns have been largely proven correct.
Respiratory virus transmission is impossible to stop — a lesson New Zealand, Hong Kong and China are still learning. Attempts to suppress the spread are futile. Such measures usually lead to unintended (perhaps, but certainly predictable) consequences that can be more devastating than the virus itself.
Normal life is upended, worsening health for those who are most ill, isolating the already lonely elderly, destroying educational and social development for children, leading to more drug and alcohol abuse and greater mental health issues. These harms go on for years and decades. None of this was mysterious or unknown. Any thoughtful, calm, rational response would have recognized these basic facts and issues. But instead we were served a hysterical, lemming-like overreaction which in the end did not protect most of the population from being infection or many from serious disease.
On behalf of the public, I would like an apology from those responsible for the disastrous handling of the epidemic response.
Some of us knew this in April 2020. No study needed.
Clearly this was politicized from day 1. Anything to sink Trump. He was unbeatable until March of 2020. The strength of the economy made him so. As soon as it was realized by the media and leftist politicians that they could possible ride this to victory in November, it was set. Now add some racial charged riots for 120 straight days and you have a real winner for the left.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.
Of all the shit the health “experts” and politicians trotted out…Lockdown, stay home, get multiple shots, don’t take horse meds, wear two masks….the ONE thing controllable thing that contributed the most to the morality is obesity. Did any of these assholes ever push this at all…no, they shut down gyms, golf, parks and beaches. Then fat obese fucks would lecture us on how those who disagreed with mandates where putting their lives in danger. Fuck the fuck off.
I was 200 pounds at the start of the great pandemic. Not obese but overweight. 160 to 180 is recommended
So I dropped 40 and have holding steady at 160. Lots of sun on my walks for vitamin D
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.
Of all the shit the health “experts” and politicians trotted out…Lockdown, stay home, get multiple shots, don’t take horse meds, wear two masks….the ONE thing controllable thing that contributed the most to the morality is obesity. Did any of these assholes ever push this at all…no, they shut down gyms, golf, parks and beaches. Then fat obese fucks would lecture us on how those who disagreed with mandates where putting their lives in danger. Fuck the fuck off.
I was 200 pounds at the start of the great pandemic. Not obese but overweight. 160 to 180 is recommended
So I dropped 40 and have holding steady at 160. Lots of sun on my walks for vitamin D
No jab
If you get sick please don’t take a hospital bed. It’s immoral. Make sure a fat fuck with diabetes and 3 shots gets it.
Age adjusted California, Illinois and Florida are all right next to each other in death rate. The lock down paradise of Michigan is about 20% higher than that group.
Georgia, New York, New Jersey and Ohio are all about 40% higher than the Florida group. It’s all a hot mess, which means we were right.
We're nearly always right. The left is almost always wrong. They lie.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.
Your argument seems to be politicians and public health experts really nailed it with their policies and now we are finally over it.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none p. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.
Yup, Foo Chee is already priming the pump if necessary.
Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.
Your argument seems to be politicians and public health experts really nailed it with their policies and now we are finally over it.
30 in hospital in the panhandle which is 5 counties... none in the hospital I pick nurses up at. Had the conversation again tonight with one...
Also numbers are not high cases dropped from 800k to about 30k... that isn't high.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life.
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Georgia, New York, New Jersey and Ohio are all about 40% higher than the Florida group. It’s all a hot mess, which means we were right.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/kevin-roche-when-do-we-get-our-apologies.php
This weekend two years ago I published the first ad in the Star Tribune expressing alarm at the policies adapted to fight the Covid-19 epidemic. The themes set forth in that ad have guided my education and advocacy efforts and my subsequent columns in that newspaper from the start of the epidemic. And the concerns expressed and the rationales for those concerns have been largely proven correct.
Respiratory virus transmission is impossible to stop — a lesson New Zealand, Hong Kong and China are still learning. Attempts to suppress the spread are futile. Such measures usually lead to unintended (perhaps, but certainly predictable) consequences that can be more devastating than the virus itself.
Normal life is upended, worsening health for those who are most ill, isolating the already lonely elderly, destroying educational and social development for children, leading to more drug and alcohol abuse and greater mental health issues. These harms go on for years and decades. None of this was mysterious or unknown. Any thoughtful, calm, rational response would have recognized these basic facts and issues. But instead we were served a hysterical, lemming-like overreaction which in the end did not protect most of the population from being infection or many from serious disease.
On behalf of the public, I would like an apology from those responsible for the disastrous handling of the epidemic response.
Clearly this was politicized from day 1. Anything to sink Trump. He was unbeatable until March of 2020. The strength of the economy made him so. As soon as it was realized by the media and leftist politicians that they could possible ride this to victory in November, it was set. Now add some racial charged riots for 120 straight days and you have a real winner for the left.
So I dropped 40 and have holding steady at 160. Lots of sun on my walks for vitamin D
No jab
Science denier.
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
Your argument seems to be politicians and public health experts really nailed it with their policies and now we are finally over it.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life.