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NATO got us into this mess, it's their job to get out of it...

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  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,525
    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,435 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    Get your ass over there and fight then

    Hillary loves Russia

    Your people

    You couldn't wait to get strength out of the white house comrade

    Can't do that. I've got to save my strength to fight China.
    The other commies your team did the bidding of
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,332
    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
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  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,525
    HHusky said:

    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,332
    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
    How are we backing out? When you're dealing with an enemy that has a frail and failing economy, there are many ways to strike them that don't involve us doing the fighting.

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  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,525
    HHusky said:

    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
    How are we backing out? When you're dealing with an enemy that has a frail and failing economy, there are many ways to strike them that don't involve us doing the fighting.

    I'd say that remains to be seen. The key thing is if we threaten like we are and then just let them roll in, we look weak. Obviously Russia is prepared to take whatever non-military stuff we would throw at them. They're smart enough to know what that might be.
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  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,525
    Ukrainian Foreign Minister now on Fox News:

    ?: Why should Americans care?


    1) Ukraine gave up their nukes in 1994 for the betterment of world security. America committed to helping defend us. America needs to keep their commitment.
    2) If Russia is allowed to invade Ukraine, this sends a message to Russia, China, and the rest of the world that the West can't defend and protect what is important to them - Democracy

    Stakes seem kind of high here. But his mean tweets!
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    MikeDamone said:

    hardhat said:

    Biden’s got this. He’s no Dotard, that’s for sure
    Careful, you’re going to get a down vote from Mello
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,332
    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    DoogieMcDoogerson said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
    How are we backing out? When you're dealing with an enemy that has a frail and failing economy, there are many ways to strike them that don't involve us doing the fighting.

    I'd say that remains to be seen. The key thing is if we threaten like we are and then just let them roll in, we look weak. Obviously Russia is prepared to take whatever non-military stuff we would throw at them. They're smart enough to know what that might be.
    I don't think there's anyone who's so smart that they know what comes of launching a war. I think Russia will take significant casualties and that its economy will take a significant hit. We haven't said we'll fight, so I don't think we signal weakness by not doing so.

    If Russia is making a mistake, well, you know what The Art of War says about that.
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