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That's worse than saying "if I had to start a franchise with one coach I'd take Mark Helfrich over Chip Kelly."He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID) -
Wade over Pippen is very debatable. I take Pippen here because he was one of the best defenders to play the game. Just the complete package, could guard 1-5 exceptionally well, put the ball in the hoop, and drop dimes.allpurpleallgold said:
Is this a whoosh? Wade is better than Pippen. Bosh is better than any big man MJ ever played with. Ray Allen is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time.He_Needs_More_Time said:
You act like he didn't play with Pippen or he never had a good big man(Horace Grant or Rodman) or the fact he never had shooters(Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc) or the fact he didn't have a top 5 coach of all-time.oregonblitzkrieg said:
He's asked to do more? WTH? Michael Jordan was expected to win games singlehandedly, by himself, when the situation required it, which was often. Put him alone on the court by himself with Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley and the rest of the old New York thugs and he could come from 15 points behind and win the game with 2 minutes left on the clock.He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID)
Stop this lazy narrative that MJ(ILTCHTIWID) had to win games by himself. Lebron literally had to do that in Cleveland as he had nothing.
There are many reasons why Lebron can never pass Jordan. Jordan never quit on his team like Lebron did in last game for Cleveland. Jordan never disappeared in the Finals like Lebron did against Dallas. Lebron had guys like Jason Kidd and JJ Barrea guarding him and he's playing hot potato.
The biggest reason though, the horrific mistake you have made, is that you do not ever want to piss MJ off. This is a man that was obsessed with winning. He would take any tiny perceived slight and use it as fuel. And you want to pick someone else ahead of him? So, you picked first and you took Lebron. You want poke the giant, ok, alright. I'll take Jordan second and he'll spend every second obsessing over destroying Lebron. How do you think Lebron is going to react to that?
Guys like Lebron and Kobe are great players. Great at basketball. Truly amazing on the court. Michael Jordan was something else, something more.
Rodman is better than Bosh. Inch for inch the best rebounder in NBA history. Complete nastiness defensively, tenacious, intimidating. If you're trying to win a championship Rodman is by far the better big man piece than Bosh, and it's not even close. -
Don't take APAG seriously when it comes to NBA talk. He supported the Pelicans trading the #6 pick and a first rounder for Jrue Holiday......Doogles said:
Wade over Pippen is very debatable. I take Pippen here because he was one of the best defenders to play the game. Just the complete package, could guard 1-5 exceptionally well, put the ball in the hoop, and drop dimes.allpurpleallgold said:
Is this a whoosh? Wade is better than Pippen. Bosh is better than any big man MJ ever played with. Ray Allen is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time.He_Needs_More_Time said:
You act like he didn't play with Pippen or he never had a good big man(Horace Grant or Rodman) or the fact he never had shooters(Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc) or the fact he didn't have a top 5 coach of all-time.oregonblitzkrieg said:
He's asked to do more? WTH? Michael Jordan was expected to win games singlehandedly, by himself, when the situation required it, which was often. Put him alone on the court by himself with Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley and the rest of the old New York thugs and he could come from 15 points behind and win the game with 2 minutes left on the clock.He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID)
Stop this lazy narrative that MJ(ILTCHTIWID) had to win games by himself. Lebron literally had to do that in Cleveland as he had nothing.
There are many reasons why Lebron can never pass Jordan. Jordan never quit on his team like Lebron did in last game for Cleveland. Jordan never disappeared in the Finals like Lebron did against Dallas. Lebron had guys like Jason Kidd and JJ Barrea guarding him and he's playing hot potato.
The biggest reason though, the horrific mistake you have made, is that you do not ever want to piss MJ off. This is a man that was obsessed with winning. He would take any tiny perceived slight and use it as fuel. And you want to pick someone else ahead of him? So, you picked first and you took Lebron. You want poke the giant, ok, alright. I'll take Jordan second and he'll spend every second obsessing over destroying Lebron. How do you think Lebron is going to react to that?
Guys like Lebron and Kobe are great players. Great at basketball. Truly amazing on the court. Michael Jordan was something else, something more.
Rodman is better than Bosh. Inch for inch the best rebounder in NBA history. Complete nastiness defensively, tenacious, intimidating. If you're trying to win a championship Rodman is by far the better big man piece than Bosh, and it's not even close.
Of course Pippen is better than the Wade that Lebron has played with. -
Agreed. We should take the dude who thinks Lebron is better than MJ seriously.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Don't take APAG seriously when it comes to NBA talk. He supported the Pelicans trading the #6 pick and a first rounder for Jrue Holiday......Doogles said:
Wade over Pippen is very debatable. I take Pippen here because he was one of the best defenders to play the game. Just the complete package, could guard 1-5 exceptionally well, put the ball in the hoop, and drop dimes.allpurpleallgold said:
Is this a whoosh? Wade is better than Pippen. Bosh is better than any big man MJ ever played with. Ray Allen is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time.He_Needs_More_Time said:
You act like he didn't play with Pippen or he never had a good big man(Horace Grant or Rodman) or the fact he never had shooters(Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc) or the fact he didn't have a top 5 coach of all-time.oregonblitzkrieg said:
He's asked to do more? WTH? Michael Jordan was expected to win games singlehandedly, by himself, when the situation required it, which was often. Put him alone on the court by himself with Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley and the rest of the old New York thugs and he could come from 15 points behind and win the game with 2 minutes left on the clock.He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID)
Stop this lazy narrative that MJ(ILTCHTIWID) had to win games by himself. Lebron literally had to do that in Cleveland as he had nothing.
There are many reasons why Lebron can never pass Jordan. Jordan never quit on his team like Lebron did in last game for Cleveland. Jordan never disappeared in the Finals like Lebron did against Dallas. Lebron had guys like Jason Kidd and JJ Barrea guarding him and he's playing hot potato.
The biggest reason though, the horrific mistake you have made, is that you do not ever want to piss MJ off. This is a man that was obsessed with winning. He would take any tiny perceived slight and use it as fuel. And you want to pick someone else ahead of him? So, you picked first and you took Lebron. You want poke the giant, ok, alright. I'll take Jordan second and he'll spend every second obsessing over destroying Lebron. How do you think Lebron is going to react to that?
Guys like Lebron and Kobe are great players. Great at basketball. Truly amazing on the court. Michael Jordan was something else, something more.
Rodman is better than Bosh. Inch for inch the best rebounder in NBA history. Complete nastiness defensively, tenacious, intimidating. If you're trying to win a championship Rodman is by far the better big man piece than Bosh, and it's not even close. -
I never said Lebron is better than MJ. Just said I"d start my team with Lebron as he is more versatile.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Agreed. We should take the dude who thinks Lebron is better than MJ seriously.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Don't take APAG seriously when it comes to NBA talk. He supported the Pelicans trading the #6 pick and a first rounder for Jrue Holiday......Doogles said:
Wade over Pippen is very debatable. I take Pippen here because he was one of the best defenders to play the game. Just the complete package, could guard 1-5 exceptionally well, put the ball in the hoop, and drop dimes.allpurpleallgold said:
Is this a whoosh? Wade is better than Pippen. Bosh is better than any big man MJ ever played with. Ray Allen is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time.He_Needs_More_Time said:
You act like he didn't play with Pippen or he never had a good big man(Horace Grant or Rodman) or the fact he never had shooters(Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc) or the fact he didn't have a top 5 coach of all-time.oregonblitzkrieg said:
He's asked to do more? WTH? Michael Jordan was expected to win games singlehandedly, by himself, when the situation required it, which was often. Put him alone on the court by himself with Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley and the rest of the old New York thugs and he could come from 15 points behind and win the game with 2 minutes left on the clock.He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID)
Stop this lazy narrative that MJ(ILTCHTIWID) had to win games by himself. Lebron literally had to do that in Cleveland as he had nothing.
There are many reasons why Lebron can never pass Jordan. Jordan never quit on his team like Lebron did in last game for Cleveland. Jordan never disappeared in the Finals like Lebron did against Dallas. Lebron had guys like Jason Kidd and JJ Barrea guarding him and he's playing hot potato.
The biggest reason though, the horrific mistake you have made, is that you do not ever want to piss MJ off. This is a man that was obsessed with winning. He would take any tiny perceived slight and use it as fuel. And you want to pick someone else ahead of him? So, you picked first and you took Lebron. You want poke the giant, ok, alright. I'll take Jordan second and he'll spend every second obsessing over destroying Lebron. How do you think Lebron is going to react to that?
Guys like Lebron and Kobe are great players. Great at basketball. Truly amazing on the court. Michael Jordan was something else, something more.
Rodman is better than Bosh. Inch for inch the best rebounder in NBA history. Complete nastiness defensively, tenacious, intimidating. If you're trying to win a championship Rodman is by far the better big man piece than Bosh, and it's not even close.
MJ I'd rank over Lebron. I'd say I'd put Russell over both though. -
Wade and Pippen is a tough decision. Pippen was possibly the best player in the NBA when Jordan retired the first time. He was certainly top 5 (Hakeem, David Robinson, Malone, Shaq, Barkley) and he was the best perimeter defender in the league. Wade is great too. Even though Wade isn't as dynamic as he once was, the past two years he has averaged 21.2 and 19.3 while shooting over 50%. He's still really good.Doogles said:
Wade over Pippen is very debatable. I take Pippen here because he was one of the best defenders to play the game. Just the complete package, could guard 1-5 exceptionally well, put the ball in the hoop, and drop dimes.allpurpleallgold said:
Is this a whoosh? Wade is better than Pippen. Bosh is better than any big man MJ ever played with. Ray Allen is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time.He_Needs_More_Time said:
You act like he didn't play with Pippen or he never had a good big man(Horace Grant or Rodman) or the fact he never had shooters(Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc) or the fact he didn't have a top 5 coach of all-time.oregonblitzkrieg said:
He's asked to do more? WTH? Michael Jordan was expected to win games singlehandedly, by himself, when the situation required it, which was often. Put him alone on the court by himself with Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley and the rest of the old New York thugs and he could come from 15 points behind and win the game with 2 minutes left on the clock.He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID)
Stop this lazy narrative that MJ(ILTCHTIWID) had to win games by himself. Lebron literally had to do that in Cleveland as he had nothing.
There are many reasons why Lebron can never pass Jordan. Jordan never quit on his team like Lebron did in last game for Cleveland. Jordan never disappeared in the Finals like Lebron did against Dallas. Lebron had guys like Jason Kidd and JJ Barrea guarding him and he's playing hot potato.
The biggest reason though, the horrific mistake you have made, is that you do not ever want to piss MJ off. This is a man that was obsessed with winning. He would take any tiny perceived slight and use it as fuel. And you want to pick someone else ahead of him? So, you picked first and you took Lebron. You want poke the giant, ok, alright. I'll take Jordan second and he'll spend every second obsessing over destroying Lebron. How do you think Lebron is going to react to that?
Guys like Lebron and Kobe are great players. Great at basketball. Truly amazing on the court. Michael Jordan was something else, something more.
Rodman is better than Bosh. Inch for inch the best rebounder in NBA history. Complete nastiness defensively, tenacious, intimidating. If you're trying to win a championship Rodman is by far the better big man piece than Bosh, and it's not even close.
Rodman over Bosh is a no brainer. I remember Charles Barkley saying the Heat had the three best players when they played the Bulls in the playoffs last year. I thought it was fucking stupid because I'm taking Noah over Bosh every time.
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I completely disagree about the game not being the same since Jordan left. I think he's the best ever, but his second run of championships was the start of the NBA turning to shit. Both finals against Utah were fucking dreckfests. In 12 games, only once did a team break 100 points. I will take Dallas over Miami and last year's finals over those every time.
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This. Almost called Rodman a Noah on steroids in my original response.RoadDawg55 said:
Wade and Pippen is a tough decision. Pippen was possibly the best player in the NBA when Jordan retired the first time. He was certainly top 5 (Hakeem, David Robinson, Malone, Shaq, Barkley) and he was the best perimeter defender in the league. Wade is great too. Even though Wade isn't as dynamic as he once was, the past two years he has averaged 21.2 and 19.3 while shooting over 50%. He's still really good.Doogles said:
Wade over Pippen is very debatable. I take Pippen here because he was one of the best defenders to play the game. Just the complete package, could guard 1-5 exceptionally well, put the ball in the hoop, and drop dimes.allpurpleallgold said:
Is this a whoosh? Wade is better than Pippen. Bosh is better than any big man MJ ever played with. Ray Allen is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time.He_Needs_More_Time said:
You act like he didn't play with Pippen or he never had a good big man(Horace Grant or Rodman) or the fact he never had shooters(Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc) or the fact he didn't have a top 5 coach of all-time.oregonblitzkrieg said:
He's asked to do more? WTH? Michael Jordan was expected to win games singlehandedly, by himself, when the situation required it, which was often. Put him alone on the court by himself with Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley and the rest of the old New York thugs and he could come from 15 points behind and win the game with 2 minutes left on the clock.He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID)
Stop this lazy narrative that MJ(ILTCHTIWID) had to win games by himself. Lebron literally had to do that in Cleveland as he had nothing.
There are many reasons why Lebron can never pass Jordan. Jordan never quit on his team like Lebron did in last game for Cleveland. Jordan never disappeared in the Finals like Lebron did against Dallas. Lebron had guys like Jason Kidd and JJ Barrea guarding him and he's playing hot potato.
The biggest reason though, the horrific mistake you have made, is that you do not ever want to piss MJ off. This is a man that was obsessed with winning. He would take any tiny perceived slight and use it as fuel. And you want to pick someone else ahead of him? So, you picked first and you took Lebron. You want poke the giant, ok, alright. I'll take Jordan second and he'll spend every second obsessing over destroying Lebron. How do you think Lebron is going to react to that?
Guys like Lebron and Kobe are great players. Great at basketball. Truly amazing on the court. Michael Jordan was something else, something more.
Rodman is better than Bosh. Inch for inch the best rebounder in NBA history. Complete nastiness defensively, tenacious, intimidating. If you're trying to win a championship Rodman is by far the better big man piece than Bosh, and it's not even close.
Rodman over Bosh is a no brainer. I remember Charles Barkley saying the Heat had the three best players when they played the Bulls in the playoffs last year. I thought it was fucking stupid because I'm taking Noah over Bosh every time. -
Wade flopped his way to a ring without LeBron.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Pippen is better than anyone Lebron has ever played with.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Horace Grant was good but not always reliable. Pippen was bad ass but was off at times. Jordan was nearly always on. And he would leave Lebron wheezing in the dust in every facet of the game. The two simply can't be compared.He_Needs_More_Time said:
You act like he didn't play with Pippen or he never had a good big man(Horace Grant or Rodman) or the fact he never had shooters(Armstrong, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc) or the fact he didn't have a top 5 coach of all-time.oregonblitzkrieg said:
He's asked to do more? WTH? Michael Jordan was expected to win games singlehandedly, by himself, when the situation required it, which was often. Put him alone on the court by himself with Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley and the rest of the old New York thugs and he could come from 15 points behind and win the game with 2 minutes left on the clock.He_Needs_More_Time said:Lebron is stronger than MJ, he's also a better three point shooter than MJ, he also is asked to do more for his team than MJ.
MJ was more clutch I'll give you that. However, if I had to start a franchise with one player I'd take Lebron over MJ(ILTCHTIWID)
Stop this lazy narrative that MJ(ILTCHTIWID) had to win games by himself. Lebron literally had to do that in Cleveland as he had nothing.
Wade historically may or may not be greater than Pippen but when Lebron started playing with him he wasn't better than Pippen.
Pippen always had to guard the opponents best wing player and remember in the 1991 Finals he was guarding Magic after game one since Magic had his way with Michael.
Grant/Rodman were good big men who played good defense and owned the boards. Keep painting this picture MJ had no talent around him. It's simply not true.
Pippen, not so much. -
Talks about the all time greats yet no one has brought up this guy?
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