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Amazingly deep podcast interview of former NYC Police Commish
DerekJohnson
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The Shawn Ryan Show, interviews Bernie Kerik. Three and a half hours. I listened via iTunes, but here's the video link as well. Amazing life and different important jobs. In the final 75 minutes or so, they go into detail about 9/11. I heard several details that were new to me. Highly recommended.
https://vigilanceelite.com/blogs/the-shawn-ryan-show/shawn-ryan-show-013-bernie-kerik
https://vigilanceelite.com/blogs/the-shawn-ryan-show/shawn-ryan-show-013-bernie-kerik