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Oregon's Covid Natty
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So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
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Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
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I'd say largely rural and good rule followers. Talked yesterday to a fraternity brother who was the crazy party guy. Basically was Belushi (Animal House was filmed in my fraternity and he was in it). He has been locked up for a year and never goes out. Just stunned. I've been everywhere and have avoided every covid restriction I can get away with. I've always taken Vitamin D and started on zinc as soon as the news was out. Got the J&J single stab on Friday. Looking forward and not backward.
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But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake. -
My guess is health and wellness, aren't these some of the healthier states. Also don't old people retire to Idaho?
I want to know how the bum populations survived the pandemic, maybe the secret is there. -
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake. -
I think people in the pacific northwest are generally healthier.
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The obvious
State Government lies about the deaths. All well planned out, make it look bad leading up to the election and after getting the agenda headed the correct political way, tell the truth a little.
I am channelling my inner @obk -
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks. -
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks. -
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks. -
Fauci is medicines equivalent of politics Biden
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He's had more flip flops than a house of pancakes. I understand with new bugs that it takes a while to get your reads down and sometimes you have to tell some fibs to prevent a panic. But you only get so many of those flip flops before the public starts to tune you out.LebamDawg said:Fauci is medicines equivalent of politics Biden
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The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks. -
The half of the state that is in the Pacific Time Zone does not recognize the legitimacy of Boise as the state capital or the authority of the SLC cabal.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
#Lewiston
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I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.WestlinnDuck said:
The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.
At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.
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I’ve said it before, the guy simply carries water for big Pharma. He’s been a nerd his whole life and relishes finally getting a spotlight on his life’s work. There were so many times he didn’t know what he was talking about and he never seemed to admit that he didn’t know.YellowSnow said:
He's had more flip flops than a house of pancakes. I understand with new bugs that it takes a while to get your reads down and sometimes you have to tell some fibs to prevent a panic. But you only get so many of those flip flops before the public starts to tune you out.LebamDawg said:Fauci is medicines equivalent of politics Biden
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This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.YellowSnow said:
I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.WestlinnDuck said:
The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.
At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives. -
I don't underestimate the left's hatred of Trump at all. And I don't think the heavy handed lock downs were the correct policy response. Where I disagree with you is that I don't think the policy response to Covid on a state level would have looked any different with a Dem in the WH. The voters in the PDX and SEA metro area are morons and get the governance they deserve.WestlinnDuck said:
This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.YellowSnow said:
I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.WestlinnDuck said:
The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.
At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.
Case in point: I read the other day that 40% of parents in the Seattle Public School District still don't want their kids back in in-person learning. That's a staggering number at this point in the game and indicative of the paranoid lunacy of the electorate. Those folks want to be locked down. -
I agree. We get the government the sheeple want. I disagree that the dems didn't destroy our private sector small businesses on purpose.YellowSnow said:
I don't underestimate the left's hatred of Trump at all. And I don't think the heavy handed lock downs were the correct policy response. Where I disagree with you is that I don't think the policy response to Covid on a state level would have looked any different with a Dem in the WH. The voters in the PDX and SEA metro area are morons and get the governance they deserve.WestlinnDuck said:
This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.YellowSnow said:
I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.WestlinnDuck said:
The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.
At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.
Case in point: I read the other day that 40% of parents in the Seattle Public School District still don't want their kids back in in-person learning. That's a staggering number at this point in the game and indicative of the paranoid lunacy of the electorate. Those folks want to be locked down. -
Nothing's changed with them. They've been screwing small businesses for years.WestlinnDuck said:
I agree. We get the government the sheeple want. I disagree that the dems didn't destroy our private sector small businesses on purpose.YellowSnow said:
I don't underestimate the left's hatred of Trump at all. And I don't think the heavy handed lock downs were the correct policy response. Where I disagree with you is that I don't think the policy response to Covid on a state level would have looked any different with a Dem in the WH. The voters in the PDX and SEA metro area are morons and get the governance they deserve.WestlinnDuck said:
This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.YellowSnow said:
I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.WestlinnDuck said:
The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.
At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.
Case in point: I read the other day that 40% of parents in the Seattle Public School District still don't want their kids back in in-person learning. That's a staggering number at this point in the game and indicative of the paranoid lunacy of the electorate. Those folks want to be locked down. -
Not like this. That's what has changed.YellowSnow said:
Nothing's changed with them. They've been screwing small businesses for years.WestlinnDuck said:
I agree. We get the government the sheeple want. I disagree that the dems didn't destroy our private sector small businesses on purpose.YellowSnow said:
I don't underestimate the left's hatred of Trump at all. And I don't think the heavy handed lock downs were the correct policy response. Where I disagree with you is that I don't think the policy response to Covid on a state level would have looked any different with a Dem in the WH. The voters in the PDX and SEA metro area are morons and get the governance they deserve.WestlinnDuck said:
This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.YellowSnow said:
I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.WestlinnDuck said:
The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.
At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.
Case in point: I read the other day that 40% of parents in the Seattle Public School District still don't want their kids back in in-person learning. That's a staggering number at this point in the game and indicative of the paranoid lunacy of the electorate. Those folks want to be locked down. -
The attitude of the masses was driven by the media's constant Covid is going to kill us. The media only let up after the inauguration. My best friends watch CNN and MSNBC all day long and they have both gotten the jabs and wear masks. They are so afraid of getting Covid.
At lunch the other day at the Pe Ell Pub, my wife and I are sitting at a table with them and they have their masks around their necks, and quickly pull them up if someone comes up to our table or walk by. They had to wear them to walk out to their car.
My niece was up here from Cali taking care of my brother's estate - she was her for 4 weeks and would not come out to the house because of Covid. She left last weekend, so this wasn't at the height of the virus. While she was there my other bro was also, so everyone say around with their masks on. I did not go up there because of their panic driven behavior.
Unfortunately, that describes Puget Sound and Metropolitan Portland for the most part, and probably Cali
I still think the numbers were raised to make it seem worse and now that they are pushing up normalcy, they put out numbers to support it. Is it truth? from the government? your guess is as good as mine - I gave up in July time frame -
We are no longer the land of the free and the home of the brave. I'm still shocked at the people I know who are petrified.LebamDawg said:The attitude of the masses was driven by the media's constant Covid is going to kill us. The media only let up after the inauguration. My best friends watch CNN and MSNBC all day long and they have both gotten the jabs and wear masks. They are so afraid of getting Covid.
At lunch the other day at the Pe Ell Pub, my wife and I are sitting at a table with them and they have their masks around their necks, and quickly pull them up if someone comes up to our table or walk by. They had to wear them to walk out to their car.
My niece was up here from Cali taking care of my brother's estate - she was her for 4 weeks and would not come out to the house because of Covid. She left last weekend, so this wasn't at the height of the virus. While she was there my other bro was also, so everyone say around with their masks on. I did not go up there because of their panic driven behavior.
Unfortunately, that describes Puget Sound and Metropolitan Portland for the most part, and probably Cali
I still think the numbers were raised to make it seem worse and now that they are pushing up normalcy, they put out numbers to support it. Is it truth? from the government? your guess is as good as mine - I gave up in July time frame -
Suicides of all ages through the roof.
Lefties are so scared they won't let there kids go to school even though they face little or no risk. Karens everywhere. -
Especially Karens named The Dazzler. The beta males on the Tug are all scared little sh*ts. You want the KobeSlobberer having your back? Da flea?
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Hey bitch - go fuck yourself. You're some broken down old half crippled cocksucker that thinks you're still tough even though you have to keep eating prunes so you can shit instead of getting plugged up. Why do you Trump ballgarglers constantly feel the need to drag me into your bullshit? You Duck faggots are all the same. Dumbfucks, faggots, cockgobblers, buttfuckers, and other assorted dipshits and doorknobs. Go find a Duck bored to fag out, assface.WestlinnDuck said:Especially Karens named The Dazzler. The beta males on the Tug are all scared little sh*ts. You want the KobeSlobberer having your back? Da flea?
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Don't see a lot of numbers and sh*t in your rant flea. We got kicked off the Duck board and we came to Derek's board. The fact that you can't compete with facts and numbers and sh*t says a lot more about you and the now Educk cowards that run the CBS board and says a lot about Derek. I ran with the founders of Educk. Great guys and an extreme promoters of free speech which used to be an Oregon strong point. Had to sell out out to CBS. Then free speech was an embarrassment. So you are free to fag out on Derek's board and work Biden's balls.dflea said:
Hey bitch - go fuck yourself. You're some broken down old half crippled cocksucker that thinks you're still tough even though you have to keep eating prunes so you can shit instead of getting plugged up. Why do you Trump ballgarglers constantly feel the need to drag me into your bullshit? You Duck faggots are all the same. Dumbfucks, faggots, cockgobblers, buttfuckers, and other assorted dipshits and doorknobs. Go find a Duck bored to fag out, assface.WestlinnDuck said:Especially Karens named The Dazzler. The beta males on the Tug are all scared little sh*ts. You want the KobeSlobberer having your back? Da flea?
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Doogles said:
My guess is health and wellness, aren't these some of the healthier states. Also don't old people retire to Idaho?
I want to know how the bum populations survived the pandemic, maybe the secret is there.
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You ran with the founders?WestlinnDuck said:
Don't see a lot of numbers and sh*t in your rant flea. We got kicked off the Duck board and we came to Derek's board. The fact that you can't compete with facts and numbers and sh*t says a lot more about you and the now Educk cowards that run the CBS board and says a lot about Derek. I ran with the founders of Educk. Great guys and an extreme promoters of free speech which used to be an Oregon strong point. Had to sell out out to CBS. Then free speech was an embarrassment. So you are free to fag out on Derek's board and work Biden's balls.dflea said:
Hey bitch - go fuck yourself. You're some broken down old half crippled cocksucker that thinks you're still tough even though you have to keep eating prunes so you can shit instead of getting plugged up. Why do you Trump ballgarglers constantly feel the need to drag me into your bullshit? You Duck faggots are all the same. Dumbfucks, faggots, cockgobblers, buttfuckers, and other assorted dipshits and doorknobs. Go find a Duck bored to fag out, assface.WestlinnDuck said:Especially Karens named The Dazzler. The beta males on the Tug are all scared little sh*ts. You want the KobeSlobberer having your back? Da flea?
lol
Who gives a fuck, you fucking idiot? I don't give a fuck about you or any other Duck fan retard buttfuck. All I kow is that all you dildos showed up here and now you fag out every fucking thread in the Tug. It's either you,. Gaybob, NorthwestFreak, ButtfuckedInTheRiver, or whoever the fuck else.
Here's your number, dumbfuck. Zero. That's how many fucks I give about you and your idoitic story about how you lost your Duckfag home and why you're here shitting in a Husky pond. Fuck off. -
Fuck'n A Bro! Lots of lonely, socially challenged people in this city. Nothing makes them feel more alive and inclusive than being told what to do by an authority figure, preferably a Lesbian or Gay one, cause that makes them woke, too.YellowSnow said:
I don't underestimate the left's hatred of Trump at all. And I don't think the heavy handed lock downs were the correct policy response. Where I disagree with you is that I don't think the policy response to Covid on a state level would have looked any different with a Dem in the WH. The voters in the PDX and SEA metro area are morons and get the governance they deserve.WestlinnDuck said:
This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.YellowSnow said:
I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.WestlinnDuck said:
The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.YellowSnow said:
The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.WestlinnDuck said:
You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.YellowSnow said:
Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.WestlinnDuck said:
Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.YellowSnow said:
But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of quislings along I-5.YellowSnow said:So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.
Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/
And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.
And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.
My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.
At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.
Case in point: I read the other day that 40% of parents in the Seattle Public School District still don't want their kids back in in-person learning. That's a staggering number at this point in the game and indicative of the paranoid lunacy of the electorate. Those folks want to be locked down.
