What I don't understand about the upcoming Trump trial

DerekJohnson

1. Trump isn't in office. An impeachment trial is unconstitutional. So what gives?
2. Since when is a defendant given two weeks to prepare a defense?
3. Why is this being allowed to happen?

Goduckies

Because the democrats run both houses. Even if convicted (he won't be) it means nothing since Roberts won't preside over it. So if Trump were to run in 2024, the democrats would have to sue to stop him and it gets thrown out. Dumb move to keep pushing by the dems, especially with Roberts bowing out.

HoustonHusky

Sledog

No due process in the house either. Banana republic bullshit but that's what commies do!

DerekJohnson

Goduckies said:

Because the democrats run both houses. Even if convicted (he won't be) it means nothing since Roberts won't preside over it. So if Trump were to run in 2024, the democrats would have to sue to stop him and it gets thrown out. Dumb move to keep pushing by the dems, especially with Roberts bowing out.

Do you think the Dems are trying to maintain the public outrage? Or some other reason?

jecornel

Imagine wasting your time with this bullshit as the country continues to burn in 50ft flames. They clearly want nothing more than to destroy this country. Not to mention celebs getting into twitter wars with politicians. Seth Rogen blasts Ted Cruz with FUCK YO FASCIST. Way to go Seth. Brilliant take and highly productive.

LebamDawg

Due process in the house is just a majority

The Senate needs 2/3 to convict

It means nothing until settled in court since this is the first time trying it.

The Supreme Court might just let it stand if he is convicted -

I believe the rumor that Roberts did not want to touch any of the Trump Election stuff because he was afraid of riots. That will also chinfluence this if it gets that far

LoneStarDawg

What part of “overwhelm the news cycle” do you not understand?

WestlinnDuck

LebamDawg said:

Due process in the house is just a majority

The Senate needs 2/3 to convict

It means nothing until settled in court since this is the first time trying it.

The Supreme Court might just let it stand if he is convicted -

I believe the rumor that Roberts did not want to touch any of the Trump Election stuff because he was afraid of riots. That will also chinfluence this if it gets that far

I'll disagree. Due process is following the Constitution. Must have a finding of a high Crime or misdemeanor based on the evidence and not the politics. Just like the dazzler couldn't cite the crime that Trump committed the first time. There is no evidence of a crime this time. Second, the impeachment process is to constitutionally remove a president (and others) from office. No office, no impeachment.

LebamDawg

WestlinnDuck said:

LebamDawg said:

Due process in the house is just a majority

The Senate needs 2/3 to convict

It means nothing until settled in court since this is the first time trying it.

The Supreme Court might just let it stand if he is convicted -

I believe the rumor that Roberts did not want to touch any of the Trump Election stuff because he was afraid of riots. That will also chinfluence this if it gets that far

I'll disagree. Due process is following the Constitution. Must have a finding of a high Crime or misdemeanor based on the evidence and not the politics. Just like the dazzler couldn't cite the crime that Trump committed the first time. There is no evidence of a crime this time. Second, the impeachment process is to constitutionally remove a president (and others) from office. No office, no impeachment.

if that was true they could not have impeached him. They can do what they want - the Senate is more logical and have never convicted a president of the stupid charges coming out of the House.

There is impeached and never a conviction so far in our illustrious, albeit confusing, history

PurpleThrobber

Drive for show, putt for dough.

The Democrats version of big tires on a pick up truck.

Overcompensating.

HHusky

This isn’t the first impeachment to take place after an official has left office. As for “high crimes”, there was no US Code. It referred to betrayal of the Constitution, one’s oath of office, the country, or all the above. We watched Daddy’s criminal acts in real time. But the GOP can convict him or not. I don’t think it matters much whether he is barred from running again.

LebamDawg

Here is a good article on how undecided/undetermined the impeachment process really is - Look at the quote from Gerald Ford that states the house can do what they want (in much more fanciful language) but is not accepted by a majority of scholars.

That was one of the arguments in Trump's impeachment that the house made it appear possible that the President holds office at the whims of the house. The house is basically doing the same thing again imho -

What I get out of this is the House can run loosy goosy rules and the Senate is more tightly controlled by process

https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/presidential-impeachment-the-legal-standard-and-procedure.html

NorthwestFresh

HHusky said:

This isn’t the first impeachment to take place after an official has left office. As for “high crimes”, there was no US Code. It referred to betrayal of the Constitution, one’s oath of office, the country, or all the above. We watched Daddy’s criminal acts in real time. But the GOP can convict him or not. I don’t think it matters much whether he is barred from running again.

Let’s see some examples. Nobody is just going to believe you.

WestlinnDuck

LebamDawg said:

WestlinnDuck said:

LebamDawg said:

Due process in the house is just a majority

The Senate needs 2/3 to convict

It means nothing until settled in court since this is the first time trying it.

The Supreme Court might just let it stand if he is convicted -

I believe the rumor that Roberts did not want to touch any of the Trump Election stuff because he was afraid of riots. That will also chinfluence this if it gets that far

I'll disagree. Due process is following the Constitution. Must have a finding of a high Crime or misdemeanor based on the evidence and not the politics. Just like the dazzler couldn't cite the crime that Trump committed the first time. There is no evidence of a crime this time. Second, the impeachment process is to constitutionally remove a president (and others) from office. No office, no impeachment.

if that was true they could not have impeached him. They can do what they want - the Senate is more logical and have never convicted a president of the stupid charges coming out of the House.

There is impeached and never a conviction so far in our illustrious, albeit confusing, history

What was the due process in the impeachment? What crime was discussed and then voted on? A crooked DA can make up a fake arrest warrant and make an arrest. That isn't due process. The dems charged Citizen's United for making a movie. A clear violation of the First Amendment. Yet, four dem Supreme Court judges voted that it did not.

HHusky

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

This isn’t the first impeachment to take place after an official has left office. As for “high crimes”, there was no US Code. It referred to betrayal of the Constitution, one’s oath of office, the country, or all the above. We watched Daddy’s criminal acts in real time. But the GOP can convict him or not. I don’t think it matters much whether he is barred from running again.

Let’s see some examples. Nobody is just going to believe you.

I only know of one example.

Pitchfork51

Its completely absurd. Like of all the times in the past 100 years for politicians to actually do shit they are playing at impeaching a dude who's not even there. Lol

LoneStarDawg

So 5 days into DNC complete control and the president is busy writing unconstitutional legislation and the congress is busy conducting unconstitutional prosecution

Tell me again how the right is unhinged?

HHusky

LoneStarDawg said:

Tell me again how the right is unhinged?

Worth a thousand words, I'm told.

RaceBannon

HHusky said:

LoneStarDawg said:

Tell me again how the right is unhinged?

Worth a thousand words, I'm told.

False flag

WestlinnDuck

Looks like a mostly peaceful assembly. Not seeing a lot of molotov cocktails like you antifa and BLM buddies.