I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
Yeah, but still
A market requires a buyer and seller.
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing it
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
Some consumers benefit.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time.
Alright then. Prove me wrong and explain how we restore American manufacturing jobs and how those workers and the rest of us are better off paying higher prices to support the wages. I'll listen. Change my mind
They were already returning in droves due to Trump's policies. One of the reasons the economy was doing so well
Since Trump took office, the service-providing sector has added 5.3 million jobs. Manufacturing has added 497,000 jobs. That addition hasn’t been evenly distributed, though. This year, job growth in manufacturing has been slower than it was in Obama’s second term. Vehicle manufacturing specifically has been slower under Trump than it was under Obama’s two terms — including the economic slowdown. Job growth in a number of sectors has been slower, including services, leisure, and education and health. One of the main exceptions is natural resources, which surged in Trump’s first two years of office but has turned south in 2019.
But the gain in factory jobs came almost entirely in 2017 and 2018, when 458,000 manufacturing jobs were added — a gain of 3.7%, faster growth than the 3.4% for total employment.
Last year Trump’s trade disputes and tariffs took a toll on the manufacturing sector. During 2019, factory jobs increased by only 46,000, a gain of 0.4%, compared with 1.4% for overall employment.
The number of manufacturing jobs is still 891,000 below where it was in December 2007, at the start of the Great Recession.
Sounds to me like the jobs came before the tariffs
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
Yeah, but still
A market requires a buyer and seller.
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing it
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
Some consumers benefit.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time.
Yang talked quite a bit about this in his book. Dems, you guys really fucked up by kicking him to the curb.
On the other end of the spectrum, unbridled greed-is-good capitalism essentially destroyed the concept of a 'good corporate citizen' - meaning the overriding purpose of the company was not necessarily share price but a balance of fair treatment of workers, contributing to community causes and a moderate return to shareholders. Instead, it's become all about quarterly earnings and the obscene gazillions the CEO's as a multiple to their median income of the worker bees. It's only been in the last year or so where the C-level guys have to disclose pay ratio information.
Instead of BLM, I'd argue that shifting that mentality would be of greater value to the country - but I'm sure the Bezos' and Gates' and Tim Cook's of the world are quite content with the status quo and using their gazillions to feed the racist narrative.
Amazon, Microsoft, and Apple employ lots of American workers and in volume offer some of the highest paying jobs. Are we going to knock them down and take their gazillions like AOC and the Bern say we should? Let's do it and say Bye Bye to those high paying jobs. While we are at it, let's support their plan of eliminating corporate buybacks, impede increase EPS stifling stock prices. But we can give it all to American workers.
I work in that world, man. There's some egregious shit that goes down that most shareholders would shit their pants over. E-fucking-gregious.
Hopefully the Throbber doesn't end up sleeping with Luka Brasi with that disclosure.
Drop me a line. Give me the inside dope.
Without regulations you get egregious shit. It's all fun and games until the smartest guys in the rooms fuck the stockholders and threaten to take down our economy. Too many regulations, less room for growth. Dodd Frank was a the right move. Without bank forbearances a lot of people would really be fucked. Bank forbearance requires Tier 1 equity.
We went from historic low black unemployment to no one having a Fucking job.
Now they want Police and prisons abolished. Minneapolis is looking into it. L.A. says they'll but 150 mill out of LAPD's budget and spend it on people of color.
Great work lefties. Vigilantes are tanned, rested and ready. 6 million guns sold in the last couple months. I wonder why?
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
Yeah, but still
Raises the question of how much African Nations will contribute, or refund, to the Reparations Pot, doesn't it?
Just saying Shit's Gonna Get Crazy trying to pull together that 17 Trillion, that's all.
Can we get back to discussing the systemic and institutionalized oppression of the black man?
We are. I said "African." Where you been?
I've been hearing "systematic" and "institutional" and lately "systemic" racism for 30 years. It's a meaningless term without supporting facts or villains, but these days who has time for either?
Your "facts" and "evidence" just slow down and obstruct the Revolution, whitey. Iron SJW Law says fuck your "trials" and "justice." Sign that bitch over and get Fucked.
Can we get back to discussing the systemic and institutionalized oppression of the black man?
We are. I said "African." Where you been?
I've been hearing "systematic" and "institutional" and lately "systemic" racism for 30 years. It's a meaningless term without supporting facts or villains, but these days who has time for either?
Your "facts" and "evidence" just slow down and obstruct the Revolution, whitey. Iron SJW Law says fuck your "trials" and "justice." Sign that bitch over and get Fucked.
No one is for cops killing black people. No one in reality is against black people succeeding. It’s all profiling, profiling isn’t racism. Black people are treated differently because of the quick probabilities that people do in their heads, based on real risk math or at least perceived real math. If it’s perceived, that will reverse itself over time as it’s earned, go earn it by exceeding expectations. No one is going to give it to you, though many that don’t actually have black societies best interests at heart will claim to be able to do so. No legislation or protesting or decrees or leadership will change that instant calculation in the short term. It sucks for many, but it’s reality and the only answer to any of this.
Is that racist?
Yes it is. Perceived real math?
It's not about giving blacks something other than their rightful equal place at the starting line.
And you want a 'rightful' equal place at the starting line? Which starting line? Where is the personal responsibility and work put in to get to the 'starting line' and overcome whatever adversity is presented as a result of personal decisions?
Everyone has a responsibility to work hard if they want to ahead. Yesterday @Bob_C said blacks first need to earn the perception before they can be trusted. So, the earnest black has to prove he's worthy of that trust? Do us earnest whites have to prove we are worthy of trust for the actions of white degenerates and Klan members? How come I can pay an initiation fee and join any golf club but a black with same bank account can't?
Fuck, all I was saying is that you can’t just tell people to think differently and biases will be magically solved. Attack the core issues head on from both sides (has to be both or it’ll never work as we’ve seen) and over time you can shift the subtle thinking that you claim is keeping black people down. Profiling is never not rooted in something. I agree that it’s not good and a hinderance, and not inherently fair. It’s a symptom though, not a cause.
Just making this a one sided problem is effectively saying that black people aren’t up to the task of fixing their own lives. I’m claiming they are, but that is racist it sounds like.
And I get that but the change starts with us. I'd be lying if I said I haven't carried biases. I live on a private (not gated) street If I see a strange black person drive in, my first reaction is what are they up to? it's not the same as a white person. Call me a racist, but quite honestly, that's my first reaction. I wasn't born with it, my parents and grandparents influenced me. I'm trying to be more open and understanding.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
Yeah, but still
A market requires a buyer and seller.
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing it
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
Some consumers benefit.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time.
Alright then. Prove me wrong and explain how we restore American manufacturing jobs and how those workers and the rest of us are better off paying higher prices to support the wages. I'll listen. Change my mind
They were already returning in droves due to Trump's policies. One of the reasons the economy was doing so well
Since Trump took office, the service-providing sector has added 5.3 million jobs. Manufacturing has added 497,000 jobs. That addition hasn’t been evenly distributed, though. This year, job growth in manufacturing has been slower than it was in Obama’s second term. Vehicle manufacturing specifically has been slower under Trump than it was under Obama’s two terms — including the economic slowdown. Job growth in a number of sectors has been slower, including services, leisure, and education and health. One of the main exceptions is natural resources, which surged in Trump’s first two years of office but has turned south in 2019.
But the gain in factory jobs came almost entirely in 2017 and 2018, when 458,000 manufacturing jobs were added — a gain of 3.7%, faster growth than the 3.4% for total employment.
Last year Trump’s trade disputes and tariffs took a toll on the manufacturing sector. During 2019, factory jobs increased by only 46,000, a gain of 0.4%, compared with 1.4% for overall employment.
The number of manufacturing jobs is still 891,000 below where it was in December 2007, at the start of the Great Recession.
Sounds to me like the jobs came before the tariffs
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That addition hasn’t been evenly distributed, though. This year, job growth in manufacturing has been slower than it was in Obama’s second term. Vehicle manufacturing specifically has been slower under Trump than it was under Obama’s two terms — including the economic slowdown. Job growth in a number of sectors has been slower, including services, leisure, and education and health. One of the main exceptions is natural resources, which surged in Trump’s first two years of office but has turned south in 2019.
But the gain in factory jobs came almost entirely in 2017 and 2018, when 458,000 manufacturing jobs were added — a gain of 3.7%, faster growth than the 3.4% for total employment.
Last year Trump’s trade disputes and tariffs took a toll on the manufacturing sector. During 2019, factory jobs increased by only 46,000, a gain of 0.4%, compared with 1.4% for overall employment.
The number of manufacturing jobs is still 891,000 below where it was in December 2007, at the start of the Great Recession.
Sounds to me like the jobs came before the tariffs
Without regulations you get egregious shit. It's all fun and games until the smartest guys in the rooms fuck the stockholders and threaten to take down our economy. Too many regulations, less room for growth. Dodd Frank was a the right move. Without bank forbearances a lot of people would really be fucked. Bank forbearance requires Tier 1 equity.
Now they want Police and prisons abolished. Minneapolis is looking into it. L.A. says they'll but 150 mill out of LAPD's budget and spend it on people of color.
Great work lefties. Vigilantes are tanned, rested and ready. 6 million guns sold in the last couple months. I wonder why?
Just saying Shit's Gonna Get Crazy trying to pull together that 17 Trillion, that's all.
I've been hearing "systematic" and "institutional" and lately "systemic" racism for 30 years. It's a meaningless term without supporting facts or villains, but these days who has time for either?
Your "facts" and "evidence" just slow down and obstruct the Revolution, whitey. Iron SJW Law says fuck your "trials" and "justice." Sign that bitch over and get Fucked.
Anything else is Racist.