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Why do people who proclaim the love science and data

MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
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Ignore science and data that doesn't fit their agenda?

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915
    MikeDamone said:

    Ignore science and data that doesn't fit their agenda?

    The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

    Ship has sailed. We are in a post fact, post truth world. You can't even have this conversation with people who are constantly telling us that we need to have a national conversation about race.

    Since we'll never have zero black people killed by police unless we just stop all policing, this isn't a situation that will ever change and no amount of citation to facts and data are going to change that.
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    We need to get to ZERO cases of the VID with everyone in the world tested to even think about reopening because there could be a second wave

    And now get to ZERO police killings of Blacks. Maybe whites too. Depends on the experts

    Its science
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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,582
    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.
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  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    If you’ve paid attention for however long you’ve been here, you’d know how idiotic that statement is.

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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,582
    edited June 2020
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    If you’ve paid attention for however long you’ve been here, you’d know how idiotic that statement is.

    Your anarcho-capitalist philosophy of "no coercion" isn't as impressive intelectually as you think it is. We do need law abiding police.
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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,582
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    If you’ve paid attention for however long you’ve been here, you’d know how idiotic that statement is.

    Your anarcho-capitalist philosophy of "no coercion" isn't as impressive intelectually as you think it is. We do need law abiding police.
    And I'm not AnCap dipfuck
    No one is, of course.
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915
    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    Fine that's a point that you and I could both agree on. But the numbers don't show that there is any "open season" on blacks in this country by the police. Why does your party and you lie to your most loyal voting block?

    Do we even know if race had anything to do with this latest George Floyd story Dazzler?
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  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited June 2020
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    Fine that's a point that you and I could both agree on. But the numbers don't show that there is any "open season" on blacks in this country by the police. Why does your party and you lie to your most loyal voting block?

    Do we even know if race had anything to do with this latest George Floyd story Dazzler?
    I must have missed the looting of cities after Tony Timpa was kneeled on and killed by the police when Obama was president.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/?outputType=amp

    Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life

    Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground in 2016.
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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,582
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    Fine that's a point that you and I could both agree on. But the numbers don't show that there is any "open season" on blacks in this country by the police. Why does your party and you lie to your most loyal voting block?

    Do we even know if race had anything to do with this latest George Floyd story Dazzler?
    If we start demanding an end to unjustifiable killings by police, it won't much matter what motivated them till now.
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,400 Standard Supporter
    MikeDamone said:

    Ignore science and data that doesn't fit their agenda?

    The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

    They only like the statistics they like and you can't use any because you're a meanie racist!
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  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    Fine that's a point that you and I could both agree on. But the numbers don't show that there is any "open season" on blacks in this country by the police. Why does your party and you lie to your most loyal voting block?

    Do we even know if race had anything to do with this latest George Floyd story Dazzler?
    If we start demanding an end to unjustifiable killings by police, it won't much matter what motivated them till now.
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    Fine that's a point that you and I could both agree on. But the numbers don't show that there is any "open season" on blacks in this country by the police. Why does your party and you lie to your most loyal voting block?

    Do we even know if race had anything to do with this latest George Floyd story Dazzler?
    If we start demanding an end to unjustifiable killings by police, it won't much matter what motivated them till now.
    I know because this is the first time a black person has been killed by a police officer. Meanwhile, in reality...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-officers-cities-wounded/story?id=71017820

    https://s-abcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/s.abcnews.com/images/US/david-dorn-ap-jef-200602_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915
    NorthwestFresh said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Police unjustifiably kill Americans far too often, and without meaningful consequences. Your quibble is over how much race has to do with it.

    Fine that's a point that you and I could both agree on. But the numbers don't show that there is any "open season" on blacks in this country by the police. Why does your party and you lie to your most loyal voting block?

    Do we even know if race had anything to do with this latest George Floyd story Dazzler?
    I must have missed the looting of cities after Tony Timpa was kneeled on and killed by the police when Obama was president.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/?outputType=amp

    Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life

    Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground in 2016.
    It doesn't matter how many of these incidents you present to them. They just repeat the talking points.

    If you really want to set a liberal off, ask them what evidence exists that shows Floyd's killing was motivated by race. The cop may very well be an incorrigible racist and he certainly might have killed him due to racial animus but we have zero evidence at this point in support of that. Yet it's now stated as an established fact.
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