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SFGbob
SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
edited March 2020 in Tug Tavern
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-10/biden-pushes-back-in-confrontation-over-guns

For some odd reason this story omits a number of relevant facts.

Biden has proposed a new "assault weapons" ban. Biden just announced that Beto, a person who has publicly stated that he wants to confiscate guns, will be his point person on gun issues.

Far from being "full of shit" the guy who questioned Biden has a very legitimate point and Biden should be pressed to answer for it instead of being excused for being an asshole. And it's Joe who doesn't have his facts straight and is lying. He claims the "AR-14" is a machine gun and that they are already illegal. This guys don't even know the weapons they want to ban.
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.

    Biden, gets his facts wrong and lies about his stated position on assault weapons. Yeah, I can see why you loved it.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    edited March 2020
    SFGbob said:

    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.

    Biden, gets his facts wrong and lies about his stated position on assault weapons. Yeah, I can see why you loved it.
    "You are actively trying to end our Second Amendment right and take away our guns,"

    I don't see any statement from Biden that suggests that he's going to repeal the 2nd Amendment or otherwise confiscate guns that are currently owned by private citizens. Feel to free to point me in the right direction if he did in fact say that.

    Edit: just saw the video above. I won't run away from this and I'll happily concede that point to you. Whether Biden has it as a platform item or not, he has in fact suggested that he could confiscate assault rifles from private citizens.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Biden lied about his position when confronted with the facts. He then insulted the person who correctly cited back to him his record and then threaten the person with physical violence.


  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.

    Biden, gets his facts wrong and lies about his stated position on assault weapons. Yeah, I can see why you loved it.
    "You are actively trying to end our Second Amendment right and take away our guns,"

    I don't see any statement from Biden that suggests that he's going to repeal the 2nd Amendment or otherwise confiscate guns that are currently owned by private citizens. Feel to free to point me in the right direction if he did in fact say that.

    Edit: just saw the video above. I won't run away from this and I'll happily concede that point to you. Whether Biden has it as a platform item or not, he has in fact suggested that he could confiscate assault rifles from private citizens.
    And with that comment you just elevated yourself about 95% of all other liberals.

  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.

    Biden, gets his facts wrong and lies about his stated position on assault weapons. Yeah, I can see why you loved it.
    "You are actively trying to end our Second Amendment right and take away our guns,"

    I don't see any statement from Biden that suggests that he's going to repeal the 2nd Amendment or otherwise confiscate guns that are currently owned by private citizens. Feel to free to point me in the right direction if he did in fact say that.

    Edit: just saw the video above. I won't run away from this and I'll happily concede that point to you. Whether Biden has it as a platform item or not, he has in fact suggested that he could confiscate assault rifles from private citizens.
    And with that comment you just elevated yourself about 95% of all other liberals.

    I appreciate the sentiment, though not the label.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Pulse check for the Tug: would you repeal the 1986 assault rifle ban?

    Personally I'm in favor of the ban, but certainly wouldn't support any measure (like Biden suggested to Cooper) that would entail confiscating existing weapons from citizens that were grandfathered in.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,659 Founders Club

    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.

    Twitter comments were similar. About time Democrats fought back!

    My contention has always been that most Americans prefer a fight.

    Joe has a lot of support and likes to be the tough guy. He would be formidable if he isnt suffering from dementia

    The Democrats complain about Trump because he's effective.
  • HustlinOwl
    HustlinOwl Member Posts: 953
    Biden doesn't know the trigger pull weight and rifling pattern inside the gun so he doesn't know shit about the guns he's talking about. Great defense Bob.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Biden doesn't know the trigger pull weight and rifling pattern inside the gun so he doesn't know shit about the guns he's talking about. Great defense Bob.

    Who do you pretend that strawman is when you fuck it in the ass Owl?

    Biden appears to not know his stated position on assault weapons that's listed on his own fucking campaign website nor does he seem to recall what he said to CNN just a few months ago.

    Work the balls Owl, work the ball. Btw, good to see you come back here after you were exposed for lying out your ass yesterday.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member Posts: 8,145
    SFGbob said:

    Biden lied about his position when confronted with the facts. He then insulted the person who correctly cited back to him his record and then threaten the person with physical violence.


    The media went absolutely apeshit when Trump said something at a rally about a heckler deserved to get punched or something like that. The media is perfectly fine with Dementia Joe threatening everyone with physical violence who has the audacity to question his positions. Scratch leftists find fascists.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited March 2020

    SFGbob said:

    Biden lied about his position when confronted with the facts. He then insulted the person who correctly cited back to him his record and then threaten the person with physical violence.


    The media went absolutely apeshit when Trump said something at a rally about a heckler deserved to get punched or something like that. The media is perfectly fine with Dementia Joe threatening everyone with physical violence who has the audacity to question his positions. Scratch leftists find fascists.
    You'll notice that the media had no problem with the fact that Joe was lying about his position on guns and the Union guy had his facts correct. In fact I've seen media types on Twitter blowing Joe saying he went toe to toe and fact to fact with the Union guy. Absolute bullshit.


    Trump attacks the media and the media loses it and claims he is a dictator who is threaten our political norms. Joe attacks a voter and threatens to slap him and the MSM praises Joe.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,659 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Biden lied about his position when confronted with the facts. He then insulted the person who correctly cited back to him his record and then threaten the person with physical violence.


    The media went absolutely apeshit when Trump said something at a rally about a heckler deserved to get punched or something like that. The media is perfectly fine with Dementia Joe threatening everyone with physical violence who has the audacity to question his positions. Scratch leftists find fascists.
    You'll notice that the media had no problem with the fact that Joe was lying about his position on guns and the Union guy had his facts correct. In fact I've seen media types on Twitter blowing Joe saying he went toe to toe and fact to fact with the Union guy. Absolute bullshit.


    Trump attacks the media and the media loses it and claims he is a dictator who is threaten our political norms. Joe attacks a voter and threatens to slap him and the MSM praises Joe.
    It's the homecourt advantage

    But visitors still win games when the home team sucks
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Biden lied about his position when confronted with the facts. He then insulted the person who correctly cited back to him his record and then threaten the person with physical violence.


    The media went absolutely apeshit when Trump said something at a rally about a heckler deserved to get punched or something like that. The media is perfectly fine with Dementia Joe threatening everyone with physical violence who has the audacity to question his positions. Scratch leftists find fascists.
    You'll notice that the media had no problem with the fact that Joe was lying about his position on guns and the Union guy had his facts correct. In fact I've seen media types on Twitter blowing Joe saying he went toe to toe and fact to fact with the Union guy. Absolute bullshit.


    Trump attacks the media and the media loses it and claims he is a dictator who is threaten our political norms. Joe attacks a voter and threatens to slap him and the MSM praises Joe.
    It's the homecourt advantage

    But visitors still win games when the home team sucks
    I believe there is some truth in the critique about all the media slobbering over Rat party candidates ultimately being bad for them when it comes to the General Election. They aren't used to being hit and having their assertions challenged.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    edited March 2020
    Does the term "main stream" media even matter anymore? @RaceBannon talks about the decline of "shared experience" and nowhere is this more true than media. Fox kills CNN, MSNBC, etc in cable ratings. How many people watch the ABC, NBC and CBS nightly new anymore? Conservatives own talk radio. Trump has the 21st century twatter bully pulpit. If you're a right winger, it's very easy to get 100% of your news from conservative media. Same holds true if you're a lefty.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Does the term "main stream" media even matter anymore? @RaceBannon talks about the decline of "shared experience" and nowhere is this more true than media. Fox kills CNN, MSNBC, etc in cable ratings. How many people watch the ABC, NBC and CBS nightly new anymore? Conservatives own talk radio. Trump has the 21st century twatter bully pulpit. If you're a right winger, it's very easy to get 100% of your news from conservative media. Same holds true if you're a lefty.

    The media that really hurts Republicans I believe is the pop culture/Hollywood. It hurts them with low info, low engagement voters. Plenty of people get all of the political "news" from SNL and the Daily Show and the late night TV shows.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 6,994

    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.

    Why does it not surprise me that a rat thinks Biden is brilliant for getting it wrong.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    Does the term "main stream" media even matter anymore? @RaceBannon talks about the decline of "shared experience" and nowhere is this more true than media. Fox kills CNN, MSNBC, etc in cable ratings. How many people watch the ABC, NBC and CBS nightly new anymore? Conservatives own talk radio. Trump has the 21st century twatter bully pulpit. If you're a right winger, it's very easy to get 100% of your news from conservative media. Same holds true if you're a lefty.

    The media that really hurts Republicans I believe is the pop culture/Hollywood. It hurts them with low info, low engagement voters. Plenty of people get all of the political "news" from SNL and the Daily Show and the late night TV shows.
    Pop culture didn't hurt Trump. It's why he's President.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Does the term "main stream" media even matter anymore? @RaceBannon talks about the decline of "shared experience" and nowhere is this more true than media. Fox kills CNN, MSNBC, etc in cable ratings. How many people watch the ABC, NBC and CBS nightly new anymore? Conservatives own talk radio. Trump has the 21st century twatter bully pulpit. If you're a right winger, it's very easy to get 100% of your news from conservative media. Same holds true if you're a lefty.

    The media that really hurts Republicans I believe is the pop culture/Hollywood. It hurts them with low info, low engagement voters. Plenty of people get all of the political "news" from SNL and the Daily Show and the late night TV shows.
    Pop culture didn't hurt Trump. It's why he's President.
    Yeah but Trump is a unicorn.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,529 Standard Supporter
    Caught Jackson Browne's 2018 tour in Bend. Really a great performance but laced with revivalist fever on open borders and global warming. Dude is worth $50 million and his tour has a carbon footprint the size of a small town. Saw Lord Huron at the Portland Zoo amphitheater in July last summer. Unbelievable concert and not one damn word about illegals or CO2. He also ain't worth $50 million.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Bloomberg is your source?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,659 Founders Club
    Heard the first Biden can pivot from free healthcare for illegals now that he's the nominee hot take tonight

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,003
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Huh, this interaction makes me like Biden a lot more. Maybe there's something to this whole "decorum is overrated" movement.

    For some reason I get the feeling you'd be swooning if Trump had told a liberal provocateur the same thing.

    Biden, gets his facts wrong and lies about his stated position on assault weapons. Yeah, I can see why you loved it.
    "You are actively trying to end our Second Amendment right and take away our guns,"

    I don't see any statement from Biden that suggests that he's going to repeal the 2nd Amendment or otherwise confiscate guns that are currently owned by private citizens. Feel to free to point me in the right direction if he did in fact say that.

    Edit: just saw the video above. I won't run away from this and I'll happily concede that point to you. Whether Biden has it as a platform item or not, he has in fact suggested that he could confiscate assault rifles from private citizens.
    And with that comment you just elevated yourself about 95% of all other liberals.

    95% of liberals don't follow the Progressive agenda.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,529 Standard Supporter
    True liberals like me yes. That was a hundred years ago.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Does the term "main stream" media even matter anymore? @RaceBannon talks about the decline of "shared experience" and nowhere is this more true than media. Fox kills CNN, MSNBC, etc in cable ratings. How many people watch the ABC, NBC and CBS nightly new anymore? Conservatives own talk radio. Trump has the 21st century twatter bully pulpit. If you're a right winger, it's very easy to get 100% of your news from conservative media. Same holds true if you're a lefty.

    The media that really hurts Republicans I believe is the pop culture/Hollywood. It hurts them with low info, low engagement voters. Plenty of people get all of the political "news" from SNL and the Daily Show and the late night TV shows.
    I think it finally reached its breaking point with Trump. At a certain point pop culture just became unashamedly liberal and never looked back. Resentment is going to brew when 99% of major celebrities and TV shows push some socially liberal message without leaving any room for different perspectives.

    Shit, I can't remember the last concert I went to where the performer(s) was under the age of 40 and didn't find a way to work in some message about loving all sexual orientations, genders, etc, without even trying to hide the political undertone.

    That's inevitably going to piss enough people off, and Trump captured that anger perfectly. Fuck rich assholes telling you what's right and how you're supposed to view the world. I'm going to tell them all to fuck off.
    This is true.

    I'm concerned for what the snap-back on Trump might be.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 6,994
    edited March 2020

    Caught Jackson Browne's 2018 tour in Bend. Really a great performance but laced with revivalist fever on open borders and global warming. Dude is worth $50 million and his tour has a carbon footprint the size of a small town. Saw Lord Huron at the Portland Zoo amphitheater in July last summer. Unbelievable concert and not one damn word about illegals or CO2. He also ain't worth $50 million.

    Saw Jackson Browne in 1981. Same schtick 39 years ago. Had an opening act of American Indians beating on drums and dancing around to a "Mother Earth" theme. Then out trotted two "save the whales" bull dyke minstrels telling us all how evil we were to not be like them. By the time JB mercifully showed up on stage I felt like I had given birth.

    He has polluted the environment for 50 years at a high rate while making that $50 million. Probably 500 times what I have generated in pollution. What a fucking hypocrite. Another entitled, elitist liberal. If there is one thing the 60's generation has taught us, it is that it failed.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 6,994

    Heard the first Biden can pivot from free healthcare for illegals now that he's the nominee hot take tonight

    And that is exactly what is going to happen. There will be a lot of pivoting and a lot of avoidance. The MSM is already doing what they can to make the Bernie supporters get on board. Last night it was like they were begging the bernie bro's to get on board to beat Trump. They will never make biden accountable for all this socialist pandering bullshit during the dem debates.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,003

    Caught Jackson Browne's 2018 tour in Bend. Really a great performance but laced with revivalist fever on open borders and global warming. Dude is worth $50 million and his tour has a carbon footprint the size of a small town. Saw Lord Huron at the Portland Zoo amphitheater in July last summer. Unbelievable concert and not one damn word about illegals or CO2. He also ain't worth $50 million.

    Saw Jackson Browne in 1981. Same schtick 39 years ago. Had an opening act of American Indians beating on drums and dancing around to a "Mother Earth" theme. Then out trotted two "save the whales" bull dyke minstrels telling us all how evil we were to not be like them. By the time JB mercifully showed up on stage I felt like I had given birth.

    He has polluted the environment for 50 years at a high rate while making that $50 million. Probably 500 times what I have generated in pollution. What a fucking hypocrite. Another entitled, elitist liberal. If there is one thing the 60's generation has taught us, it is that it failed.




    Props to Jackson Browne for banging prime Darryl Hannah. Respect.