I'll keep saying it. If you want to beat Trump, Harris is the one. Take it for what it's worth from me because I'm not voting for her but a younger me would.
Didn't the younger you vote for McGovern?
Yes. I voted for the loser quite often so again, take it with a grain of salt.
Anyone else think Mayor Pete's moralizing has a short shelf life?
I listened to his 45 seconds and was annoyed
Haha, not having read this yet I just drew that comparison Harris-McGovern. People here just don't know enough about her yet. Easy to seem like a good alternative when you haven't been put under the microscope yet.
At first glance she passes the eye test for people like APAG but also for moderate conservatives who believe in Law and Order god damn it.
The reality is that most progressives in CA I know hate her guts for the latter and most moderates can't deal with her far Left tendencies.
She's going to pick up steam simply for not being one of the known commodities as people ask themselves, "Isn't there anyone else we can vote for?" Call it the Romney effect. As people get to know her though they will realize there's a reason she's topped out at representing California.
I'll keep saying it. If you want to beat Trump, Harris is the one. Take it for what it's worth from me because I'm not voting for her but a younger me would.
Didn't the younger you vote for McGovern?
Yes. I voted for the loser quite often so again, take it with a grain of salt.
Anyone else think Mayor Pete's moralizing has a short shelf life?
I listened to his 45 seconds and was annoyed
Haha, not having read this yet I just drew that comparison Harris-McGovern. People here just don't know enough about her yet. Easy to seem like a good alternative when you haven't been put under the microscope yet.
At first glance she passes the eye test for people like APAG but also for moderate conservatives who believe in Law and Order god damn it.
The reality is that most progressives in CA I know hate her guts for the latter and most moderates can't deal with her far Left tendencies.
She's going to pick up steam simply for not being one of the known commodities as people ask themselves, "Isn't there anyone else we can vote for?" Call it the Romney effect. As people get to know her though they will realize there's a reason she's topped out at representing California.
She's not for law and order. LE in Cali was not happy with her.
I'll keep saying it. If you want to beat Trump, Harris is the one. Take it for what it's worth from me because I'm not voting for her but a younger me would.
Didn't the younger you vote for McGovern?
Yes. I voted for the loser quite often so again, take it with a grain of salt.
Anyone else think Mayor Pete's moralizing has a short shelf life?
I listened to his 45 seconds and was annoyed
Haha, not having read this yet I just drew that comparison Harris-McGovern. People here just don't know enough about her yet. Easy to seem like a good alternative when you haven't been put under the microscope yet.
At first glance she passes the eye test for people like APAG but also for moderate conservatives who believe in Law and Order god damn it.
The reality is that most progressives in CA I know hate her guts for the latter and most moderates can't deal with her far Left tendencies.
She's going to pick up steam simply for not being one of the known commodities as people ask themselves, "Isn't there anyone else we can vote for?" Call it the Romney effect. As people get to know her though they will realize there's a reason she's topped out at representing California.
She's not for law and order. LE in Cali was not happy with her.
Like I said, it's a first glance impression. As soon as you dig any further than that it all falls apart.
I'll keep saying it. If you want to beat Trump, Harris is the one. Take it for what it's worth from me because I'm not voting for her but a younger me would.
You get some deference for your Trump call in 2016 but no way Harris wins after her positions on giving illegals healthcare. Her fucking Willie Brown while humorous is a nothing burger politically but illegals and healthcare and her flip flopping on getting rid of private health insurance is all Trump needs to beat her ass soundly.
They need someone like Hickenlooper to wake up. Smart, normal and non-threatening in his appearance. Has the governorship experience, etc. But nobody knows who the fuck he is. Midwestern centrists would vote for him. And liberals are going to vote for any democrat who gets the ticket.
I liked him because he had the balls to say the one fucking thing his party has to say - out loud - and he said it twice - "the answer is not a government jerb for everybody ... the answer is not to be found in socialism."
I'm shocked this hasn't gotten more play in the Tug. He's the one motherfucker in the group who has the political acumen and the guts to basically say out loud that they're not going to win if they don't get off their soap box about fringe social issues and reject any notion of AOC Socialism.
If I were committed to voting Democrat, and I'm not, but if I were, that's the guy I'd pick. Harris is a lightweight, and Booker is a moron, Pete is ... I don't know, fuck off South Bend. Biden is too old and still in love with his Vice Presidency and doesn't have enough gas in the tank to beat Trump. Bennett's retardation is exceeded only by Inslee's. The rest can go DIAFF.
Pete fucked up by skipping running for a Senator or Governor spot first. Mayor of South Bend (population:101,168) ain't shit. He could have Obama'd his way into a run in 2024 quite easily.
I'll keep saying it. If you want to beat Trump, Harris is the one. Take it for what it's worth from me because I'm not voting for her but a younger me would.
You get some deference for your Trump call in 2016 but no way Harris wins after her positions on giving illegals healthcare. Her fucking Willie Brown while humorous is a nothing burger politically but illegals and healthcare and her flip flopping on getting rid of private health insurance is all Trump needs to beat her ass soundly.
They need someone like Hickenlooper to wake up. Smart, normal and non-threatening in his appearance. Has the governorship experience, etc. But nobody knows who the fuck he is. Midwestern centrists would vote for him. And liberals are going to vote for any democrat who gets the ticket.
I liked him because he had the balls to say the one fucking thing his party has to say - out loud - and he said it twice - "the answer is not a government jerb for everybody ... the answer is not to be found in socialism."
I'm shocked this hasn't gotten more play in the Tug. He's the one motherfucker in the group who has the political acumen and the guts to basically say out loud that they're not going to win if they don't get off their soap box about fringe social issues and reject any notion of AOC Socialism.
If I were committed to voting Democrat, and I'm not, but if I were, that's the guy I'd pick. Harris is a lightweight, and Booker is a moron, Pete is ... I don't know, fuck off South Bend. Biden is too old and still in love with his Vice Presidency and doesn't have enough gas in the tank to beat Trump. Bennett's retardation is exceeded only by Inslee's. The rest can go DIAFF.
Pete fucked up by skipping running for a Senator or Governor spot first. Mayor of South Bend (population:101,168) ain't shit. He could have Obama'd his way into a run in 2024 quite easily.
I'll keep saying it. If you want to beat Trump, Harris is the one. Take it for what it's worth from me because I'm not voting for her but a younger me would.
You get some deference for your Trump call in 2016 but no way Harris wins after her positions on giving illegals healthcare. Her fucking Willie Brown while humorous is a nothing burger politically but illegals and healthcare and her flip flopping on getting rid of private health insurance is all Trump needs to beat her ass soundly.
They need someone like Hickenlooper to wake up. Smart, normal and non-threatening in his appearance. Has the governorship experience, etc. But nobody knows who the fuck he is. Midwestern centrists would vote for him. And liberals are going to vote for any democrat who gets the ticket.
I liked him because he had the balls to say the one fucking thing his party has to say - out loud - and he said it twice - "the answer is not a government jerb for everybody ... the answer is not to be found in socialism."
I'm shocked this hasn't gotten more play in the Tug. He's the one motherfucker in the group who has the political acumen and the guts to basically say out loud that they're not going to win if they don't get off their soap box about fringe social issues and reject any notion of AOC Socialism.
If I were committed to voting Democrat, and I'm not, but if I were, that's the guy I'd pick. Harris is a lightweight, and Booker is a moron, Pete is ... I don't know, fuck off South Bend. Biden is too old and still in love with his Vice Presidency and doesn't have enough gas in the tank to beat Trump. Bennett's retardation is exceeded only by Inslee's. The rest can go DIAFF.
Pete fucked up by skipping running for a Senator or Governor spot first. Mayor of South Bend (population:101,168) ain't shit. He could have Obama'd his way into a run in 2024 quite easily.
I watched the entire thing. There was not one positive message uttered on that stage last night. No pride in country, no love for their fellow Americans, not one uplifting thing anyone could ever hang their hat on.
Think about that. Not one person on that stage has any pride in our country at all and they want to be President. WTF is wrong with democrats?
The Dems got hijacked by the 'progressives' the same way the GOP got hijacked by the Moral Majority evangelicals.
Once they figure out the math that those leftist fucks will vote D regardless OR that the D's can pick up MORE moderate votes running centrist candidates, they'll be relevant again.
Right now they've got Vernon Adams running the numbers. This is bell curve stuff. Racing to the left hand extreme of the X-axis is horrid strategy.
This is laughably ignorant. Moderate democrats had been getting slaughtered since 2008. They luckboxed their way into a Obama, the rare politician that could inspire the base while governing from the center, and they still couldn’t win elections with him in the White House.
We literally just settled this in 2016. Hillary Clinton is a moderate. She’s literally the moderate y’all keep swearing could beat Trump. She didn’t. Just like Biden won’t beat him. If only there were moderate democrats with tons of experience to run against Trump!
Trumo won because he’s not the moderate politician. Saying a moderate is how you beat that is fucking stupid.
I'm not sure Hillary is the hill to die on with moderate Dems my friend. I do agree that "some" moderate Dems have struggled, but I think Hillary lost because she is a horrible unlikeable person, not because she was a moderate. Her numbers on trust and likeability were horribly bad. Historically horribly bad.
I know you think the Dems need to veer FAR left, but they have that segment anyway. All the Dems need to do to win is recapture 20 percent of the white union vote they lost in the Midwest with Hillary because everyone hated her, she was uninspiring, nobody trusted her, AND she ignored the Midwest.
Her policies didn't sink her. The fact she was a historically poor candidate did.
I would argue her being a moderate is one of the reasons why she unlikable and untrustworthy.
Dumb as a rock but knows how to play to her public appeal.
Don't agree she's dumb, but you're right to say substance doesn't matter. Hillary was terrible at running for office and Daddy is President.
Trump looks moderate now. He just ignored the alleged conservative never Trumpers and won anyway
And is now governing center right
It doesn't work to paint him as an extremist but they will anyway
Also worth noting, Obama beat a moderate. Twice.
True, but both got the GOP nomination by accommodating hard right wingers. Mitt was unrecognizable and rudderless. John threw a Hail Mary when he was in the fucking lead.
Trump looks moderate now. He just ignored the alleged conservative never Trumpers and won anyway
And is now governing center right
It doesn't work to paint him as an extremist but they will anyway
Also worth noting, Obama beat a moderate. Twice.
True, but both got the GOP nomination by accommodating hard right wingers. Mitt was unrecognizable and rudderless. John threw a Hail Mary when he was in the fucking lead.
You should leave the brilliant political analysis to me. McCain 08 was no different than McCain 2000 who lost to an alleged conservative W. And alleged hard right wing Christian W beat Gore and Kerry.
The only difference in 08 is that all the alleged conservatives like yourself who claimed you would have voted for him in 2000 shit all over him in 2008 when you had a chance to vote for him
McCain was always desperate to be part of the elite and believed the bullshit and ran as who the fuck knows what. He barely ran at all
Trump looks moderate now. He just ignored the alleged conservative never Trumpers and won anyway
And is now governing center right
It doesn't work to paint him as an extremist but they will anyway
Also worth noting, Obama beat a moderate. Twice.
True, but both got the GOP nomination by accommodating hard right wingers. Mitt was unrecognizable and rudderless. John threw a Hail Mary when he was in the fucking lead.
McCain's biggest lead was after he selected Palin. Nice revisonist history O'Keefed. Tell us what position Mitt took that accommodated the "hard right wingers" O'Keefed?
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At first glance she passes the eye test for people like APAG but also for moderate conservatives who believe in Law and Order god damn it.
The reality is that most progressives in CA I know hate her guts for the latter and most moderates can't deal with her far Left tendencies.
She's going to pick up steam simply for not being one of the known commodities as people ask themselves, "Isn't there anyone else we can vote for?" Call it the Romney effect. As people get to know her though they will realize there's a reason she's topped out at representing California.
You bet your sweet ass we do.
The only difference in 08 is that all the alleged conservatives like yourself who claimed you would have voted for him in 2000 shit all over him in 2008 when you had a chance to vote for him
McCain was always desperate to be part of the elite and believed the bullshit and ran as who the fuck knows what. He barely ran at all
Cue the Kunt act.
https://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-shocks-republicans
He's tried before and never got close. There's a reason