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Matt Taibbi's essay, "It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD"
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You described yourself perfectlyMariotaTheGawd said:
If I didn't know what I was talking about but I felt like I had to be involved in the conversation because I never leave this message board, I'd be doing what you're doing nowRaceBannon said:
So it isn't possible for youMariotaTheGawd said:
Is it possible for you to actually engage on something without being a little bitch?RaceBannon said:
Can you put together a coherent post for once?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a chapter from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
MSNBC and CNN put bias ahead of profit. The ratings bear that out.
I am well aware of manufacturing consent for wars or calling the President a traitor. News is cheap so it turns a profit regardless.
You can't deny what I wrote so you respond with the usual gibberish
And I'm talking about Manufacturing Consent. As in, the book. I'm sure you've heard of it.
Got it
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CNN and MSNBC will never catch Fox because they'll never beat Fox out for olds who sit at home all day watching cable TV. I haven't even had cable for like 2 years.RaceBannon said:
That's why the over the air Big Four aren't as insane as their cable outlets. Close though.MariotaTheGawd said:
Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.MariotaTheGawd said:
nice gotcha attemptGrundleStiltzkin said:
Are you one advocating for state-funded media?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.
I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
Why is the Military Intelligence Complex the training ground for news experts on panel shows?
That's a pretty big conflict right there
Brennen was praised for wink wink knowing the real deal in his infamous the indictments are coming this week video
He's just another hack
As far as military experts on television, I don't think we disagree. The trotting out of "retired" generals who later turned out to be on the Pentagon payroll to pimp the Invasion of Iraq was shameful. If you're trying to get me to defend cable news, we're going to be here for awhile. Same thing if you're trying to get me to defend Brennan. -
The NPR part I agree with, but probably further than you or Chomsky would go. NPR does a good job of covering "the news." You & Noam likely want NPR to cover more radical progressivism (which local affiliates and syndicators do more of). NPR also does little to cover conservative interests.MariotaTheGawd said:
Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.MariotaTheGawd said:
nice gotcha attemptGrundleStiltzkin said:
Are you one advocating for state-funded media?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.
I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
Not sure where you're going with the rest of it. -
MariotaTheGawd said:
CNN and MSNBC will never catch Fox because they'll never beat Fox out for olds who sit at home all day watching cable TV. I haven't even had cable for like 2 years.RaceBannon said:
That's why the over the air Big Four aren't as insane as their cable outlets. Close though.MariotaTheGawd said:
Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.MariotaTheGawd said:
nice gotcha attemptGrundleStiltzkin said:
Are you one advocating for state-funded media?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.
I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
Why is the Military Intelligence Complex the training ground for news experts on panel shows?
That's a pretty big conflict right there
Brennen was praised for wink wink knowing the real deal in his infamous the indictments are coming this week video
He's just another hack
As far as military experts on television, I don't think we disagree. The trotting out of "retired" generals who later turned out to be on the Pentagon payroll to pimp the Invasion of Iraq was shameful. If you're trying to get me to defend cable news, we're going to be here for awhile. Same thing if you're trying to get me to defend Brennan.
That's not why they won't beat out FOX. Most boomers are liberal
Yes we agree on some stuff. It happens when you stop stereotyping everyone and lobbing out bad takes and actually discuss an issue -
NPR needs to go. It's what you get when the crazies run the insane asylums.GrundleStiltzkin said:
The NPR part I agree with, but probably further than you or Chomsky would go. NPR does a good job of covering "the news." You & Noam likely want NPR to cover more radical progressivism (which local affiliates and syndicators do more of). NPR also does little to cover conservative interests.MariotaTheGawd said:
Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.MariotaTheGawd said:
nice gotcha attemptGrundleStiltzkin said:
Are you one advocating for state-funded media?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.
I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
Not sure where you're going with the rest of it. -
No, they aren't.RaceBannon said:
And so if your motivation was money you would........YellowSnow said:
I think Fox is biased just as much to the right and CNN/MSNBC are to the left. But the in the demographic that watches cable news, there's just way more right of center folks, hence way higher viewership for Fox. Same is true for talk radio.RaceBannon said:
Can you put together a coherent post for once?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a chapter from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
MSNBC and CNN put bias ahead of profit. The ratings bear that out.
I am well aware of manufacturing consent for wars or calling the President a traitor. News is cheap so it turns a profit regardless.
You can't deny what I wrote so you respond with the usual gibberish
this isn't hard
And it is my point
CNN and MSNBC put bias ahead of profit on the Trump coverage
Sounds like right of center folks are better informed
They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both
Everything you say is fucking retarded.Sledog said:
NPR needs to go. It's what you get when the crazies run the insane asylums.GrundleStiltzkin said:
The NPR part I agree with, but probably further than you or Chomsky would go. NPR does a good job of covering "the news." You & Noam likely want NPR to cover more radical progressivism (which local affiliates and syndicators do more of). NPR also does little to cover conservative interests.MariotaTheGawd said:
Alright then. Of course news outlets need to pay their bills. But there was a longstanding understanding between media companies and the public that in exchange for use of the public airwaves, they actually had to do some good. Taibbi talks about this quite a bit. Now that idea almost seems like a joke.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Gotcha attempt? Hardly. There is a progressive argument for state-funded journalism. Repeated mention of profit-driven media as a problem brought the question to mind.MariotaTheGawd said:
nice gotcha attemptGrundleStiltzkin said:
Are you one advocating for state-funded media?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a piece from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
Advertising introduces a particular sort of bias, so outlets like Democracy Now and The Nation survive on donations and subscriptions. They operate at a much smaller scale, obviously.
I think NPR does a pretty good job, but people like Chomsky have said that NPR is among the most rigid in limiting discussion into "acceptable discourse" and pretending like other ideas don't exist. I'm not really sure what to make of that because I just listen to NPR in the car and don't study it.
Not sure where you're going with the rest of it. -
No, they aren't.
They didn't waste two years watching about how Trump was going to be impeached or indicted or both
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Well that and the fact that the liberals have about 5 or 6 outlets that cater to their biases while the Right has one.YellowSnow said:
I think Fox is biased just as much to the right and CNN/MSNBC are to the left. But the in the demographic that watches cable news, there's just way more right of center folks, hence way higher viewership for Fox. Same is true for talk radio.RaceBannon said:
Can you put together a coherent post for once?MariotaTheGawd said:
If you don't think profit-driven news is a major problem and was a major factor in the way this was covered, you truly can't be saved.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
Not that you care because you have zero credibility or self-awareness, but there's some irony in you denying this after upvoting the op, which is a chapter from a book intended to be a follow-up to Manufacturing Consent
MSNBC and CNN put bias ahead of profit. The ratings bear that out.
I am well aware of manufacturing consent for wars or calling the President a traitor. News is cheap so it turns a profit regardless.
You can't deny what I wrote so you respond with the usual gibberish -
I have blasted Obamacare since the start. But at least in honest ways. I'm sorry I didn't jump on the death panel scare. Or how Obamacare would crater the economy. Or all the other bullshit lies you believed.pawz said:
#aclockworkshill #rightontim #HondoBros #lapdog2001400ex said:
Republicans had complete control of all three houses for two years. It's clear they have no solution to health Care other than to keep the current shitty system in place.Pitchfork51 said:
Obama fucked up healthcare so bad no one is able to make a decent push for anything new for like 10 years after the ACA. What a fucking disaster. He can suck it.2001400ex said:
And you don't care that Fox was anti Obama? Turns out there's a lot of conservative dicksuckers who want the message that liberals are coming for all that is right in America. And that's what Fox sells very well.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
@Pitchfork51 you can't besmirtch Obamacare without the chief lapdog nibbling at your balls.
As always its special to watch Hondofaggot move the goalposts after hearing for years how great Obamacare would be. The totally predictable failure it is
Really Obamacare kept in place the shitty medical insurance tied to employment system. But at least gave some transparency to buying on the internet to make it easier for people to be insured. And insurance rate growth slowed. But you kept your doctor so fuck off. -
Why so angry? Sure sounds like you're defending Obamacare2001400ex said:
I have blasted Obamacare since the start. But at least in honest ways. I'm sorry I didn't jump on the death panel scare. Or how Obamacare would crater the economy. Or all the other bullshit lies you believed.pawz said:
#aclockworkshill #rightontim #HondoBros #lapdog2001400ex said:
Republicans had complete control of all three houses for two years. It's clear they have no solution to health Care other than to keep the current shitty system in place.Pitchfork51 said:
Obama fucked up healthcare so bad no one is able to make a decent push for anything new for like 10 years after the ACA. What a fucking disaster. He can suck it.2001400ex said:
And you don't care that Fox was anti Obama? Turns out there's a lot of conservative dicksuckers who want the message that liberals are coming for all that is right in America. And that's what Fox sells very well.RaceBannon said:
You wouldMariotaTheGawd said:
I think it's more a symptom of profit-driven media than of any political agenda, although obviously there is some of that. He's talked about it in other places. The New Yorker infamously wouldn't even allow sales people on their editorial floor. Now tv news networks brag about being the most watched.YellowSnow said:I read it yesterday. I've also listened to his pod with Sam Harris. He's definitely not team #MAGA.
While I will continue to disagree with many here on "attempted coups" , I would agree that many in the media got way out ahead of evidence being collected and have a shit ton of egg on the face.
If it was profit driven CNN and MSNBC would be like Fox who kicks their ass
They were anti Trump all the time because of their political views. They hired hacks like Brennan and the rest to echo that view day and night
They deserve all the shame and mockery they get. From wherever it comes
@Pitchfork51 you can't besmirtch Obamacare without the chief lapdog nibbling at your balls.
As always its special to watch Hondofaggot move the goalposts after hearing for years how great Obamacare would be. The totally predictable failure it is
Really Obamacare kept in place the shitty medical insurance tied to employment system. But at least gave some transparency to buying on the internet to make it easier for people to be insured. And insurance rate growth slowed. But you kept your doctor so fuck off.
A lot
Doesn't sound at all like you're blasting it
At all
