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MikeSeaver
MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
edited February 16 in College Football Forum
And I’m already expecting vitriol and insults as per the usual around here so you can do that or stick to the subject. Either way is fine with me.

When Pete loses your bowl game again this year, should he be fired? Or, is this a new Washington where just getting there is good enough?

We’d be talking about 5 years with only a heart of Dallas Bowl Trophy, under his belt.

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  • picalogestabo
    picalogestabo Member Posts: 651

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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,500 Founders Club
    edited August 2018
    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    You're trolling and even pressing. But there is a hint of validity to what you're saying about Pete and UW standards.
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    This is the Ducks FANS forum. Why would I go to any of he other ones? It’s exactly why I asked why we had this new forum as it’s so narrow in scope. Again I trust the moderators have a plan so I’m fine with that. For now. Personal opinion I like one big forum with all topics. Who wants to go clicking around looking for the perfect sub forum to post their thoughts?

    Back to the topic, seems like you wouldn’t want him around just winning Northern titles. Wouldn’t have been good enough for the Washington I grew up watching.

    It may be now, though. Certainly seems like it. Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation. Because otherwise I think you’d be singing a different tune.
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    DerekJohnson said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    You're trolling and even pressing. But there is a hint of validity to what you're saying about Pete and UW standards.
    How exactly should I ask the question? God this place is weird.
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  • SyphilisButter
    SyphilisButter Member Posts: 221
    movin' to the country

    gonna eat a lot of peaches

    moving' to the country

    gonna eat me a lot of peaches
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  • BaldwinIV
    BaldwinIV Member Posts: 797
    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    This is the Ducks FANS forum. Why would I go to any of he other ones? It’s exactly why I asked why we had this new forum as it’s so narrow in scope. Again I trust the moderators have a plan so I’m fine with that. For now. Personal opinion I like one big forum with all topics. Who wants to go clicking around looking for the perfect sub forum to post their thoughts?

    Back to the topic, seems like you wouldn’t want him around just winning Northern titles. Wouldn’t have been good enough for the Washington I grew up watching.

    It may be now, though. Certainly seems like it. Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation. Because otherwise I think you’d be singing a different tune.
    He's going into his 5th year. No, winning the north isn't enough. And the whole down Oregon thing is meaningless.

    He is what his record is. Losing to Stanford last year was his worse loss. The UW I grew up watching didn't win every game or win the league every year. Go through the shit pile of coaches that we have and we'll appreciate Pete until we don't

    That's a serious answer
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
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  • BaldwinIV
    BaldwinIV Member Posts: 797
    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Guess we should have lost on purpose a few times to make it legit. Great take.

    Still won’t answer the question.

    By the way I’m leaving in a bit to meet friends for drinks so I won’t be in here all night. Can one of you at least answer the fucking question and not make it about Oregon... for once? Unless that’s your aspiration which is accepatable if that’s the level you’re happy with.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    Asked and answered counselor. Stop badgering the witness
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    This is the Ducks FANS forum. Why would I go to any of he other ones? It’s exactly why I asked why we had this new forum as it’s so narrow in scope. Again I trust the moderators have a plan so I’m fine with that. For now. Personal opinion I like one big forum with all topics. Who wants to go clicking around looking for the perfect sub forum to post their thoughts?

    Back to the topic, seems like you wouldn’t want him around just winning Northern titles. Wouldn’t have been good enough for the Washington I grew up watching.

    It may be now, though. Certainly seems like it. Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation. Because otherwise I think you’d be singing a different tune.
    He's going into his 5th year. No, winning the north isn't enough. And the whole down Oregon thing is meaningless.

    He is what his record is. Losing to Stanford last year was his worse loss. The UW I grew up watching didn't win every game or win the league every year. Go through the shit pile of coaches that we have and we'll appreciate Pete until we don't

    That's a serious answer
    Good post. Great poster.

    I think you’ll be disappointed in the long run with his guy though. How long should it take to get a program up and running to be dominate?

    6 years? 7?
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  • Ice_Holmvik
    Ice_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    Ice_Holmvik said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
    Think your keyboard is broken or something pal. No idea what you’re saying.
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  • Ice_Holmvik
    Ice_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
    Think your keyboard is broken or something pal. No idea what you’re saying.
    Answer the question!!!!
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
    Think your keyboard is broken or something pal. No idea what you’re saying.
    Answer the question!!!!
    As noted, I would if I could decipher it. Honestly, no idea what you’re saying or asking.
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  • Ice_Holmvik
    Ice_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
    Think your keyboard is broken or something pal. No idea what you’re saying.
    Answer the question!!!!
    As noted, I would if I could decipher it. Honestly, no idea what you’re saying or asking.
    Good! Now you know how we feel about your op.
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
    Think your keyboard is broken or something pal. No idea what you’re saying.
    Answer the question!!!!
    As noted, I would if I could decipher it. Honestly, no idea what you’re saying or asking.
    Good! Now you know how we feel about your op.
    You don’t understand what I’m asking?

    You’ve been so bad for so long I’m sure right now it feels great. But when do you expect a larger payoff from this program other than the Heart of Dallas bowl?

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  • Ice_Holmvik
    Ice_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
    Think your keyboard is broken or something pal. No idea what you’re saying.
    Answer the question!!!!
    As noted, I would if I could decipher it. Honestly, no idea what you’re saying or asking.
    Good! Now you know how we feel about your op.
    You don’t understand what I’m asking?

    You’ve been so bad for so long I’m sure right now it feels great. But when do you expect a larger payoff from this program other than the Heart of Dallas bowl?

    Really sounded like you were asking if Pete should get fired if we dont win a big bowl game. "When Pete loses your bowl game again this year, should he be fired? To which i clearly answered in my first reply. Somehow you couldnt comprehend. Initially i just figured it was your schtick that you couldnt really be that dumb. However your following replies have cleared that up for me. TYFYS
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeSeaver said:

    As suspected.

    Very predictable and the main reason I don’t post here very much.

    And I was about to give a serious answer but then this........

    If you lurked around a bit you'd know there have been hundreds of posts on the failures against Bama and PSU and concern about recruiting being good enough to win those games going forward. Would we care if it happens again? Hell yes

    Should he be fired? Let's not be stupid here
    Luckily it coincided with the worst Oregon teams in almost a generation.
    funny how that works

    or that you think you need to preach that to UW fans of all programs
    Oh please, you were bad for like 18 years. Oregon’s was in the championship game like 3 yeas ago.

    So far only race bannon has even tried to answer the question. Again, not surprised.
    you feasted on UW during a time the UW's own AD actively tried to kill it. and it hired gilbinghamsark. don't give me any whiny shit about UO getting assrailed while down. that was what happened for 95% of the streak. you and yours didn't buy it from UW and we certainly aren't buying it from you
    Enjoy your drinks. Tell Shane and Tommy we said hello. Coach Pete stsys. Im sure USC or TOSU would be happy to shell out the big bucks for a coach that wasnt good enough for Washington were we? yhat stupid.
    Think your keyboard is broken or something pal. No idea what you’re saying.
    Answer the question!!!!
    As noted, I would if I could decipher it. Honestly, no idea what you’re saying or asking.
    Good! Now you know how we feel about your op.
    You don’t understand what I’m asking?

    You’ve been so bad for so long I’m sure right now it feels great. But when do you expect a larger payoff from this program other than the Heart of Dallas bowl?

    Really sounded like you were asking if Pete should get fired if we dont win a big bowl game. "When Pete loses your bowl game again this year, should he be fired? To which i clearly answered in my first reply. Somehow you couldnt comprehend. Initially i just figured it was your schtick that you couldnt really be that dumb. However your following replies have cleared that up for me. TYFYS
    If it’s a no then it seems like you expect more from other programs than you do your own.

    When do you start wondering if this is the path you want to go down? Year 7? 8?

    I know you beat Southern Alabama a few years ago in a game, but man.

    After all the years I’ve spent on here seeing what you all expect from everyone else I assumed you had higher standards for yourselves.

    Maybe that was all just posturing or jealousy. I don’t know.
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  • Ice_Holmvik
    Ice_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    You really shouldnt keep Shane and Tommy waiting while you engage in an E battle for the evening.Run along im sure the Pina Coladas are getting warm.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,294 Standard Supporter
    Why wait to have this discussion until the bowl game? How about after Sept 1?
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    edited August 2018
    MikeSeaver said:

    And I’m already expecting vitriol and insults as per the usual around here so you can do that or stick to the subject. Either way is fine with me.

    When Pete loses your bowl game again this year, should he be fired? Or, is this a new Washington where just getting there is good enough?

    We’d be talking about 5 years with only a heart of Dallas Bowl Trophy, under his belt.

    Unless you win the final playoff game it’s a down year.

    Despite the talent and experience, our? QB and sub playoff level talent sprinkled in amongst the starters, suggests us? winning the big one ain’t going to happen.

    If we? win the conference, make the playoffs, and dump the opening round, Pete’s not going anywhere and I’ll reluctantly sign for another year.

    Question for you Is a Heisman winner and a one time semi final victory satisfying enough to stomach two subsequent years of sodomy from your long time bitch?
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