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Round 1 - #6 Bruce Springsteen vs #11 Ramones

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Round 1 - #6 Bruce Springsteen vs #11 Ramones 47 votes

#6 Bruce Springsteen
42%
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#11 The Ramones
57%
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Opposite of abundance

    Lot of soul searching for me on this one. The 1st Ramones LP and the 3rd, Rocket to Russia are amongst my all time favs. Their influence cannot be overstated I think on the history of rock music. All that said, Jake Browning sucks, and Springsteen has mor great albums and a creative peak that lasted much longer- i.e, 1973- 87. Ramones started to run out of good ideas after only a few years.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,134 Standard Supporter
    Christ - this is an NIT matchup.

    Wood smash 18 year old Courtney Cox though. Perky nips.

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    PurpleThrobber said:

    Christ - this is an NIT matchup.

    Wood smash 18 year old Courtney Cox though. Perky nips.

    The rock intelligentsia / punditry doesn't agree and there's where a lot of these ranking are coming from. Not saying they are right, so don't twist.
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  • Mad_Son
    Mad_Son Member Posts: 10,194
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    This was a tough one.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    #11 The Ramones
    Swaye said:

    The Boss could get run over tomorrow for all I care. FTG

    Agree. Cheers Redman.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Southerndawg said:

    Swaye said:

    The Boss could get run over tomorrow for all I care. FTG

    Agree. Cheers Redman.
    Be the Boss of a member of Tony Soprano's crew and then Popoff.


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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,284 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    YellowSnow said:

    Southerndawg said:

    Swaye said:

    The Boss could get run over tomorrow for all I care. FTG

    Agree. Cheers Redman.
    Be the Boss of a member of Tony Soprano's crew and then Popoff.


    For a shitty guitar player he's fucking arrogant about it. Bruce can shred though and fans rarely get to witness it.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    #11 The Ramones
    @Doog_de_Jour I thought our forbidden love had a chance until I saw you vote for Springsteen.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    #11 The Ramones
    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    lol

    Jesus.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    The Ramones are top 10 rock band. Bruce is a fag for white people who don't understand irony and middle class Black people like Obama that need to say they like a white guy, even though they really don't and he seems relatively enjoyable on some level.

    Bruce started out as a bad Bob Dylan fake then on his trajectory toward adult contemporary artist, he hit a sweet spot with Born to Run. Everything else is garbage.


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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    The Ramones are top 10 rock band. Bruce is a fag for white people who don't understand irony and middle class Black people like Obama that need to say they like a white guy, even though they really don't and he seems relatively enjoyable on some level.

    Bruce started out as a bad Bob Dylan fake then on his trajectory toward adult contemporary artist, he hit a sweet spot with Born to Run. Everything else is garbage.

    "Now I wanna sniff some glue" is one of the great FAST STRATEGY anthems of all time.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    #11 The Ramones
    YellowSnow said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    The Ramones are top 10 rock band. Bruce is a fag for white people who don't understand irony and middle class Black people like Obama that need to say they like a white guy, even though they really don't and he seems relatively enjoyable on some level.

    Bruce started out as a bad Bob Dylan fake then on his trajectory toward adult contemporary artist, he hit a sweet spot with Born to Run. Everything else is garbage.


    Anyone saying the Ramones are posers has no fucking idea what the Ramones are. They basically started a genre of music that didn't exist - taking what was good from early rock and what was good from heavy rock and mixed them. Their lyrical themes were (although not to my taste per se) groundbreaking in their 'outsider' vibe (although their songs like Rockaway Beach were sort of a fast strategy white guy update of a Chuck Berry/Beach Boys narrative).

    And they did it all with total lack of self-awareness. Their fucking main songwriter had a lobotomy for fuck's sake - and after the Ramones, he unironically tried to be a rapper named Dee Dee King.

    Christ.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    #11 The Ramones
    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    David Bowie was not Punk.

    The Pistols got their musical direction from the Ramones: ask the Pistols - they basically formed when the Ramones played in the UK.

    The proto-punk bands were the Stooges and the MC5. Both were amazing.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    David Bowie was not Punk.

    The Pistols got their musical direction from the Ramones: ask the Pistols - they basically formed when the Ramones played in the UK.

    The proto-punk bands were the Stooges and the MC5. Both were amazing.
    Disagree.

    This is Punk and it's before any of those bitch hipped Ramones fags did anything.

    https://youtu.be/zLnPd7lzT4g
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    #11 The Ramones
    salemcoog said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    David Bowie was not Punk.

    The Pistols got their musical direction from the Ramones: ask the Pistols - they basically formed when the Ramones played in the UK.

    The proto-punk bands were the Stooges and the MC5. Both were amazing.
    Disagree.

    This is Punk and it's before any of those bitch hipped Ramones fags did anything.

    https://youtu.be/zLnPd7lzT4g
    No.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhQRFO4M7A
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    The Ramones are top 10 rock band. Bruce is a fag for white people who don't understand irony and middle class Black people like Obama that need to say they like a white guy, even though they really don't and he seems relatively enjoyable on some level.

    Bruce started out as a bad Bob Dylan fake then on his trajectory toward adult contemporary artist, he hit a sweet spot with Born to Run. Everything else is garbage.


    Anyone saying the Ramones are posers has no fucking idea what the Ramones are. They basically started a genre of music that didn't exist - taking what was good from early rock and what was good from heavy rock and mixed them. Their lyrical themes were (although not to my taste per se) groundbreaking in their 'outsider' vibe (although their songs like Rockaway Beach were sort of a fast strategy white guy update of a Chuck Berry/Beach Boys narrative).

    And they did it all with total lack of self-awareness. Their fucking main songwriter had a lobotomy for fuck's sake - and after the Ramones, he unironically tried to be a rapper named Dee Dee King.

    Christ.
    Yes and Columbus discovered America.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    #11 The Ramones
    salemcoog said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    The Ramones are top 10 rock band. Bruce is a fag for white people who don't understand irony and middle class Black people like Obama that need to say they like a white guy, even though they really don't and he seems relatively enjoyable on some level.

    Bruce started out as a bad Bob Dylan fake then on his trajectory toward adult contemporary artist, he hit a sweet spot with Born to Run. Everything else is garbage.


    Anyone saying the Ramones are posers has no fucking idea what the Ramones are. They basically started a genre of music that didn't exist - taking what was good from early rock and what was good from heavy rock and mixed them. Their lyrical themes were (although not to my taste per se) groundbreaking in their 'outsider' vibe (although their songs like Rockaway Beach were sort of a fast strategy white guy update of a Chuck Berry/Beach Boys narrative).

    And they did it all with total lack of self-awareness. Their fucking main songwriter had a lobotomy for fuck's sake - and after the Ramones, he unironically tried to be a rapper named Dee Dee King.

    Christ.
    Yes and Columbus discovered America.
    I discovered you're a fag.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    salemcoog said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    David Bowie was not Punk.

    The Pistols got their musical direction from the Ramones: ask the Pistols - they basically formed when the Ramones played in the UK.

    The proto-punk bands were the Stooges and the MC5. Both were amazing.
    Disagree.

    This is Punk and it's before any of those bitch hipped Ramones fags did anything.

    https://youtu.be/zLnPd7lzT4g
    No.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhQRFO4M7A
    That'd be some Punk for Fags for sure.

    Fuck Ram Jam singing Black Betty is more Punk than that shit.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    YellowSnow said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Opposite of abundance

    Lot of soul searching for me on this one. The 1st Ramones LP and the 3rd, Rocket to Russia are amongst my all time favs. Their influence cannot be overstated I think on the history of rock music. All that said, Jake Browning sucks, and Springsteen has mor great albums and a creative peak that lasted much longer- i.e, 1973- 87. Ramones started to run out of good ideas after only a few years.
    I was really close to going The Ramones for the reasons mentioned ... if I’m picking one song out of both combined category it’s I Want To Be Sedated.

    Ultimately, longevity wins out ... but barely
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    David Bowie was not Punk.

    The Pistols got their musical direction from the Ramones: ask the Pistols - they basically formed when the Ramones played in the UK.

    The proto-punk bands were the Stooges and the MC5. Both were amazing.
    Bowie wasn't punk but he did influence it.

    Don't forget the New York Dolls in that mix with the Stooges and MC5 of important proto punk acts.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    #11 The Ramones
    salemcoog said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    salemcoog said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    David Bowie was not Punk.

    The Pistols got their musical direction from the Ramones: ask the Pistols - they basically formed when the Ramones played in the UK.

    The proto-punk bands were the Stooges and the MC5. Both were amazing.
    Disagree.

    This is Punk and it's before any of those bitch hipped Ramones fags did anything.

    https://youtu.be/zLnPd7lzT4g
    No.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhQRFO4M7A
    That'd be some Punk for Fags for sure.

    Fuck Ram Jam singing Black Betty is more Punk than that shit.
    Chinned for a good insult, but you're wrong.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,333 Founders Club
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    You're missing the point. New Wave doesn't happen unless Punk happens first and tears up the script.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    #11 The Ramones
    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    You're missing the point. New Wave doesn't happen unless Punk happens first and tears up the script.
    All New Wave should be shot.

    New Wave was just an excuse for the Cars to Trojan Horse their way into MTV and show everyone why all musical genres will eventually be lifeless zombies, devoid of any meaning or enjoyable characteristics. Just surface features that reflect the vapidity of society at large.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Kv6vxZwL8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dOx510kyOs
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    #6 Bruce Springsteen
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Ramones are posers who did nothing but plagiarize.shit.fucko. I'm guessing it's the millenial fags that are driving their success here.

    You know like the ones that never saw them gayme.

    Plagiarizing shit my ass fucko. They tore up the script basically got the whole Punk and New Wave thing going.
    Kreist. Right because noone had ever heard of the Stooges, Pistols or Bowie before them.

    And New Wave isn't anything close to Punk.

    But then again you had Elvis fucking Costello in this shit tourney....




    You're missing the point. New Wave doesn't happen unless Punk happens first and tears up the script.
    All New Wave should be shot.

    New Wave was just an excuse for the Cars to Trojan Horse their way into MTV and show everyone why all musical genres will eventually be lifeless zombies, devoid of any meaning or enjoyable characteristics. Just surface features that reflect the vapidity of society at large.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Kv6vxZwL8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dOx510kyOs
    The later Cars stuff definitely sucked ass. Such as the videos you showed. But the 70's- early 80's Cars stuff was very good.
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