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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,641 Standard Supporter

    https://reuters.com/article/us-usa-justice-immigration/california-governor-says-trump-administration-waging-war-against-state-idUSKCN1GJ2IF

    This was the first article that came up

    The language of this democrat governor is very reminiscent of the democrat governors in the old south standing in the school door. It took federal troops then to enforce federal law.

    It may take it again










    It might, but opposing school integration is a harder stance to defend than trying to keep a federal agency from running roughshod over communities.
    Another way to put that is that states don't get to ignore federal law

    Its a majority position on paper

    I agree with you that the optics could be problematic

    although a lot of folks would like to see the Oakland mayor in a perp walk
    A lot of people who support the majority position on paper still think ICE is a clownshow with a hard-on for their own badges.
    COPS

    That's why dudes in suits should perp walk the politicans

    I have no complaint with a path or a road or a stream to citizenship for good hard working folks but for fucks sakes we need a border and we need control

    That's why Trump is president today

    Drag this out and watch it happen again
    The Senate gang of eight or whatever it was had the path/stream/road in it. The trump wing of both parties killed it.

    Mexicans in Iowa! Legally! Can you imagine?

    Federal immigration law changes are going nowhere right now precisely because of trump obstinance. There are demonstrated majorities for guest workers and a citizenship pathway. It provides transparency and supports the economy.

    What I don’t understand is the “keep it up or trump will get re-elected” thing. Is that saying “you better not disparage protectionism and nationalism or we’ll do something stupid and re-elect trump again.”
    Even the cherished DACA kids have seen through the democrats ruse

    The deal is on the table waiting to be made. A deal is the last thing the democrats want

    That's why they will continue to lose to Trump.

    People forget because they hang around here but a majority of Americans like to see the law upheld as long as it doesn't hurt them personally.

    Sanctuary cities, open borders, a mayor tipping off criminals - this isn't going to beat Trump. Its why he is here.

    I tell you all this comfortable in the knowledge that you won't listen
    Why do you think I care about beating trump?

    Like it or not, California is going its own way and trump will ultimately be powerless to stop it. It’s inevitable unless he compromises, or gives up. All the same to me. Whether he’s in office or not.
    Are you going to tow Kali out to sea with your 5.9 Cummings? Oh the feds have ships and aircraft. Time for a new plan.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    Sledog said:

    https://reuters.com/article/us-usa-justice-immigration/california-governor-says-trump-administration-waging-war-against-state-idUSKCN1GJ2IF

    This was the first article that came up

    The language of this democrat governor is very reminiscent of the democrat governors in the old south standing in the school door. It took federal troops then to enforce federal law.

    It may take it again










    It might, but opposing school integration is a harder stance to defend than trying to keep a federal agency from running roughshod over communities.
    Another way to put that is that states don't get to ignore federal law

    Its a majority position on paper

    I agree with you that the optics could be problematic

    although a lot of folks would like to see the Oakland mayor in a perp walk
    A lot of people who support the majority position on paper still think ICE is a clownshow with a hard-on for their own badges.
    COPS

    That's why dudes in suits should perp walk the politicans

    I have no complaint with a path or a road or a stream to citizenship for good hard working folks but for fucks sakes we need a border and we need control

    That's why Trump is president today

    Drag this out and watch it happen again
    The Senate gang of eight or whatever it was had the path/stream/road in it. The trump wing of both parties killed it.

    Mexicans in Iowa! Legally! Can you imagine?

    Federal immigration law changes are going nowhere right now precisely because of trump obstinance. There are demonstrated majorities for guest workers and a citizenship pathway. It provides transparency and supports the economy.

    What I don’t understand is the “keep it up or trump will get re-elected” thing. Is that saying “you better not disparage protectionism and nationalism or we’ll do something stupid and re-elect trump again.”
    Even the cherished DACA kids have seen through the democrats ruse

    The deal is on the table waiting to be made. A deal is the last thing the democrats want

    That's why they will continue to lose to Trump.

    People forget because they hang around here but a majority of Americans like to see the law upheld as long as it doesn't hurt them personally.

    Sanctuary cities, open borders, a mayor tipping off criminals - this isn't going to beat Trump. Its why he is here.

    I tell you all this comfortable in the knowledge that you won't listen
    Why do you think I care about beating trump?

    Like it or not, California is going its own way and trump will ultimately be powerless to stop it. It’s inevitable unless he compromises, or gives up. All the same to me. Whether he’s in office or not.
    Are you going to tow Kali out to sea with your 5.9 Cummings? Oh the feds have ships and aircraft. Time for a new plan.
    NMTE.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYpR_YnkIjI

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,293
    Sledog said:

    https://reuters.com/article/us-usa-justice-immigration/california-governor-says-trump-administration-waging-war-against-state-idUSKCN1GJ2IF

    This was the first article that came up

    The language of this democrat governor is very reminiscent of the democrat governors in the old south standing in the school door. It took federal troops then to enforce federal law.

    It may take it again










    It might, but opposing school integration is a harder stance to defend than trying to keep a federal agency from running roughshod over communities.
    Another way to put that is that states don't get to ignore federal law

    Its a majority position on paper

    I agree with you that the optics could be problematic

    although a lot of folks would like to see the Oakland mayor in a perp walk
    A lot of people who support the majority position on paper still think ICE is a clownshow with a hard-on for their own badges.
    COPS

    That's why dudes in suits should perp walk the politicans

    I have no complaint with a path or a road or a stream to citizenship for good hard working folks but for fucks sakes we need a border and we need control

    That's why Trump is president today

    Drag this out and watch it happen again
    The Senate gang of eight or whatever it was had the path/stream/road in it. The trump wing of both parties killed it.

    Mexicans in Iowa! Legally! Can you imagine?

    Federal immigration law changes are going nowhere right now precisely because of trump obstinance. There are demonstrated majorities for guest workers and a citizenship pathway. It provides transparency and supports the economy.

    What I don’t understand is the “keep it up or trump will get re-elected” thing. Is that saying “you better not disparage protectionism and nationalism or we’ll do something stupid and re-elect trump again.”
    Even the cherished DACA kids have seen through the democrats ruse

    The deal is on the table waiting to be made. A deal is the last thing the democrats want

    That's why they will continue to lose to Trump.

    People forget because they hang around here but a majority of Americans like to see the law upheld as long as it doesn't hurt them personally.

    Sanctuary cities, open borders, a mayor tipping off criminals - this isn't going to beat Trump. Its why he is here.

    I tell you all this comfortable in the knowledge that you won't listen
    Why do you think I care about beating trump?

    Like it or not, California is going its own way and trump will ultimately be powerless to stop it. It’s inevitable unless he compromises, or gives up. All the same to me. Whether he’s in office or not.
    Are you going to tow Kali out to sea with your 5.9 Cummings? Oh the feds have ships and aircraft. Time for a new plan.
    Maybe the poont, Tom Clancy, is that nobody is going to do that. I'm sure it would make for a good crappy movie though.

    Race makes a good point about Wallace and Alabama. But then again, Alabama is a flea on a dog's ass, and they were clearly on the wrong side of history. This issue is legitimately more debatable all around the union. Plus, in the words of Ron Burgundy, California is kind of a big deal. It has more political muscle than the entire southeastern US, save Florida. Said another way, it's easier to tell the poor white trash states to quit misbehaving. California is another matter altogether.

    We can all talk tuff about it, but he's not going to push Cali around. Right or wrong, preemption or no preemption. Cali going its own way too far off the rez (sorry swaye) is a much larger matter than this administration will bit off. Trump won't even be alive by the time that comes to a head, if it ever does.

    This federalism thing turned out to be harder than I thought. It's hard.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,653 Founders Club

    Sledog said:

    https://reuters.com/article/us-usa-justice-immigration/california-governor-says-trump-administration-waging-war-against-state-idUSKCN1GJ2IF

    This was the first article that came up

    The language of this democrat governor is very reminiscent of the democrat governors in the old south standing in the school door. It took federal troops then to enforce federal law.

    It may take it again










    It might, but opposing school integration is a harder stance to defend than trying to keep a federal agency from running roughshod over communities.
    Another way to put that is that states don't get to ignore federal law

    Its a majority position on paper

    I agree with you that the optics could be problematic

    although a lot of folks would like to see the Oakland mayor in a perp walk
    A lot of people who support the majority position on paper still think ICE is a clownshow with a hard-on for their own badges.
    COPS

    That's why dudes in suits should perp walk the politicans

    I have no complaint with a path or a road or a stream to citizenship for good hard working folks but for fucks sakes we need a border and we need control

    That's why Trump is president today

    Drag this out and watch it happen again
    The Senate gang of eight or whatever it was had the path/stream/road in it. The trump wing of both parties killed it.

    Mexicans in Iowa! Legally! Can you imagine?

    Federal immigration law changes are going nowhere right now precisely because of trump obstinance. There are demonstrated majorities for guest workers and a citizenship pathway. It provides transparency and supports the economy.

    What I don’t understand is the “keep it up or trump will get re-elected” thing. Is that saying “you better not disparage protectionism and nationalism or we’ll do something stupid and re-elect trump again.”
    Even the cherished DACA kids have seen through the democrats ruse

    The deal is on the table waiting to be made. A deal is the last thing the democrats want

    That's why they will continue to lose to Trump.

    People forget because they hang around here but a majority of Americans like to see the law upheld as long as it doesn't hurt them personally.

    Sanctuary cities, open borders, a mayor tipping off criminals - this isn't going to beat Trump. Its why he is here.

    I tell you all this comfortable in the knowledge that you won't listen
    Why do you think I care about beating trump?

    Like it or not, California is going its own way and trump will ultimately be powerless to stop it. It’s inevitable unless he compromises, or gives up. All the same to me. Whether he’s in office or not.
    Are you going to tow Kali out to sea with your 5.9 Cummings? Oh the feds have ships and aircraft. Time for a new plan.
    Maybe the poont, Tom Clancy, is that nobody is going to do that. I'm sure it would make for a good crappy movie though.

    Race makes a good point about Wallace and Alabama. But then again, Alabama is a flea on a dog's ass, and they were clearly on the wrong side of history. This issue is legitimately more debatable all around the union. Plus, in the words of Ron Burgundy, California is kind of a big deal. It has more political muscle than the entire southeastern US, save Florida. Said another way, it's easier to tell the poor white trash states to quit misbehaving. California is another matter altogether.

    We can all talk tuff about it, but he's not going to push Cali around. Right or wrong, preemption or no preemption. Cali going its own way too far off the rez (sorry swaye) is a much larger matter than this administration will bit off. Trump won't even be alive by the time that comes to a head, if it ever does.

    This federalism thing turned out to be harder than I thought. It's hard.
    If you were there support for segregation was still extremely high in the 50's when Brown V came down and not just in the south

    That's why it took troops and why Ike and JFK had such a struggle to do the right thing

    Regardless of whether enforcing the borders and our laws is popular or not (it is) states don't get to obstruct justice. its a horrible precedent.

    Fix the fucking problem. Even the Dreamers know Schumer is using them for the fall campaign
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    The fix is right in front of trump. DACA and dreamers stay without condition. Pathway to citizenship and guest workers for the rest. If he wants to waste $25 billion of us taxpayer money in return, that’s up to you trumpanzees.

    It’s either that or nothing.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,653 Founders Club
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    No deal

    Ok. Sanctuary state it is.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    All of you are illegals to me. GTFO!

    Yeah and the Woolly Mammoths felt the same way about the ancient Swayes that crossed over the land bridge.


    But still...