AZDuck's Considered Opinion on Southern Monuments
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King County was named after some slave holding Veep. I had no idea until it HAD to be changed. Now it is named after MLK I think but I always think of some slave holding Veep when I see the name
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So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
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Fuck you are a donkey.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists! -
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists! -
No - they didn't. But they kept their slaves too.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists! -
The statue is being donated to a museum.Sledog said:Tearing down, rewriting and removing or destroying history history is never a good idea. It's what dictators and historically evil regimes have done. History is there to teach us and remind us so things don't happen again. It doesn't exist for emotional reasons. I've never been "offended" by history. It's in the past and cannot be changed.
Stop being a cunt if you're offended by things that happened long ago. Things changed. Men died to change it. GTFOI or GTFO. -
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats! -
In American politics, the southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the Civil Rights Movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened pre-existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South to the Republican Party that had traditionally supported the Democratic Party.[4] It also helped push the Republican Party much more to the right.Sledog said:
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats! -
I was semi-joking before. But now I'm seriously asking you if you're a retard: are you a retard?Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
The Egyptians? Aztecs and Mayans? -
I don't care much about misplaced statues of loser traitor generals, by I note we toppled the big statue of Saddam.
Were those good, brave amd wholesome American soldiers revising history?
Lee was a loser.
Cook it!! -
It's all about slavery, 'tard.creepycoug said:I don't care much about misplaced statues of loser traitor generals, by I note we toppled the big statue of Saddam.
Were those good, brave amd wholesome American soldiers revising history?
Lee was a loser.
Cook it!! -
Slaves didn't build the Confederate monuments.Sledog said:
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats!
HTH -
Tell me more my oracle.Sledog said:
It's all about slavery, 'tard.creepycoug said:I don't care much about misplaced statues of loser traitor generals, by I note we toppled the big statue of Saddam.
Were those good, brave amd wholesome American soldiers revising history?
Lee was a loser.
Cook it!! -
Bunch of people who got their ass whooped by whitey.creepycoug said:
I was semi-joking before. But now I'm seriously asking you if you're a retard: are you a retard?Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
The Egyptians? Aztecs and Mayans? -
Sledog said:
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats!
One claim that's been circulating among Confederate apologists would have us believe that Congress passed a law in 1958 giving Confederate veterans status under law equal to U.S. veterans. It was even made into an easy-to-share meme for Facebook and Twitter:
But in fact, the law does not do what Confederate apologists say it does. It certainly does not "pardon" Confederate veterans, nor does it generally give them status "equal to" U.S. veterans.
The original legislation was introduced to raise pensions for widows and former widows of deceased veterans of the Spanish-American War. In committee, it was amended to include widows of deceased U.S. veterans of the Civil War and Indian War, as well as widows of Confederate veterans.
"It is my understanding that the Senator from Louisiana [Mr. Long] is the author of the amendment providing for pensions for the approximately 1,000 widows of Confederate veterans," Sen. Lyndon Johnson (D-Texas), the Senate's majority leader and presiding officer, said during floor debate over the measure, according to the Congressional Record. "The bill was unanimously reported by the Committee on Finance. There is much interest in it, and I hope the Senate will act on it unanimously."
The "Senator from Louisiana" would be Russell B. Long, at the time a pro-segregation Democrat. The Congressional Record clearly shows there was no discussion on the Senate floor of Confederate "pardons" or any general change in the status of Confederate veterans.
The section of the law that Confederate apologists seem to be misconstruing is this one:
"(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term 'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term 'active, military or naval service' includes active service in such forces."
"For the purpose of this section" is referring to Section 432 of the Veterans' Benefits Act of 1957, which set pensions for widows of U.S. veterans of the Civil War; Section 433 of that act pertains to pensions of Civil War veterans' children. There is nothing in U.S. Public Law 85-425 or the law it amends that says anything about making Confederate veterans U.S. veterans or "pardoning" them.
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"For the purpose of this section" is referring to Section 432 of the Veterans' Benefits Act of 1957, which set pensions for widows of U.S. veterans of the Civil War; Section 433 of that act pertains to pensions of Civil War veterans' children. There is nothing in U.S. Public Law 85-425 or the law it amends that says anything about making Confederate veterans U.S. veterans or "pardoning" them.AZDuck said:Sledog said:
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats!
One claim that's been circulating among Confederate apologists would have us believe that Congress passed a law in 1958 giving Confederate veterans status under law equal to U.S. veterans. It was even made into an easy-to-share meme for Facebook and Twitter:
But in fact, the law does not do what Confederate apologists say it does. It certainly does not "pardon" Confederate veterans, nor does it generally give them status "equal to" U.S. veterans.
The original legislation was introduced to raise pensions for widows and former widows of deceased veterans of the Spanish-American War. In committee, it was amended to include widows of deceased U.S. veterans of the Civil War and Indian War, as well as widows of Confederate veterans.
"It is my understanding that the Senator from Louisiana [Mr. Long] is the author of the amendment providing for pensions for the approximately 1,000 widows of Confederate veterans," Sen. Lyndon Johnson (D-Texas), the Senate's majority leader and presiding officer, said during floor debate over the measure, according to the Congressional Record. "The bill was unanimously reported by the Committee on Finance. There is much interest in it, and I hope the Senate will act on it unanimously."
The "Senator from Louisiana" would be Russell B. Long, at the time a pro-segregation Democrat. The Congressional Record clearly shows there was no discussion on the Senate floor of Confederate "pardons" or any general change in the status of Confederate veterans.
The section of the law that Confederate apologists seem to be misconstruing is this one:
"(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term 'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term 'active, military or naval service' includes active service in such forces."
KOMO it, but seem to remember there was a Confederate widow drawing a pension into the 1960s or later.
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That was the poont. Last Confederate veteran of the Civil War died in 1955 or thereabouts. The idea was to provide a pension for their wives, who were obviously very aged in the late fifties.GrundleStiltzkin said:
"For the purpose of this section" is referring to Section 432 of the Veterans' Benefits Act of 1957, which set pensions for widows of U.S. veterans of the Civil War; Section 433 of that act pertains to pensions of Civil War veterans' children. There is nothing in U.S. Public Law 85-425 or the law it amends that says anything about making Confederate veterans U.S. veterans or "pardoning" them.AZDuck said:Sledog said:
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats!
One claim that's been circulating among Confederate apologists would have us believe that Congress passed a law in 1958 giving Confederate veterans status under law equal to U.S. veterans. It was even made into an easy-to-share meme for Facebook and Twitter:
But in fact, the law does not do what Confederate apologists say it does. It certainly does not "pardon" Confederate veterans, nor does it generally give them status "equal to" U.S. veterans.
The original legislation was introduced to raise pensions for widows and former widows of deceased veterans of the Spanish-American War. In committee, it was amended to include widows of deceased U.S. veterans of the Civil War and Indian War, as well as widows of Confederate veterans.
"It is my understanding that the Senator from Louisiana [Mr. Long] is the author of the amendment providing for pensions for the approximately 1,000 widows of Confederate veterans," Sen. Lyndon Johnson (D-Texas), the Senate's majority leader and presiding officer, said during floor debate over the measure, according to the Congressional Record. "The bill was unanimously reported by the Committee on Finance. There is much interest in it, and I hope the Senate will act on it unanimously."
The "Senator from Louisiana" would be Russell B. Long, at the time a pro-segregation Democrat. The Congressional Record clearly shows there was no discussion on the Senate floor of Confederate "pardons" or any general change in the status of Confederate veterans.
The section of the law that Confederate apologists seem to be misconstruing is this one:
"(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term 'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term 'active, military or naval service' includes active service in such forces."
KOMO it, but seem to remember there was a Confederate widow drawing a pension into the 1960s or later. -
They were allowed pensions.GrundleStiltzkin said:
KOMO it, but seem to remember there was a Confederate widow drawing a pension into the 1960s or later.
Their husbands were not considered US Veterans.
Some of you need to learn the difference. -
YellowSnow said:
He (literally) picked the wrong side. If Lee has stayed loyal to the Union, it's conceivable the North could have won -rather easily-creepycoug said:Take 'er down.
I like Generals who win; I don't like Generals who lose. They're losers and should not be celebrated.
Lee was a loser.by, say,186334-17? -
The person depicted in the monument didn't own any. Your point?2001400ex said:
Slaves didn't build the Confederate monuments.Sledog said:
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats!
HTH -
Lee owned slaves and opposed Confederate monuments.Sledog said:
The person depicted in the monument didn't own any. Your point?2001400ex said:
Slaves didn't build the Confederate monuments.Sledog said:
All built by slaves.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
None of those guys fought a war against their own country.Sledog said:So according to this leftist logic the Egyptians should tear down the pyramids, Italians should tear down their whole country and a huge chunk of Europe and all the Mayan and Aztec stuff should go bye bye too. Right?
Get to work leftists!
But since the confederacy no longer exists does that mean slavery never happened? FYI all confederate soldiers are considered to be U.S. military veterans by law. You lefties tearing down the I would Jim and statue too?
Naturally the democrats want the confederacy, slavery the KKK, JI'm Crows etc. all erased since they were all started by and consisted of democrats!
HTH
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments/
