Government Shuts Down. . .

tracker

HardcoreHusky keeps rollin' along.

DugtheDoog

Good. Now hopefully the big government liberals will realize you don't need the federal government to hold your hand to survive.

Tailgater

tracker said:

HardcoreHusky keeps rollin' along.

My dad was at that party in Oslo not long before the Nazis invaded.

Since we are at war with no end in sight against terrorism everywhere at home and abroad, the President will declare martial law and ignore Congress while he pays the bills and does whatever is necessary by executive order to protect our economies and financials while keeping the war machine running for national security. This could be the only path open to dealing with the anarchy of the Tea Party controlled House of Representatives,..... as the President is required by law to make certain that the U.S. treasury does not default on the national debt or in otherwords ensure the value of the greenback.

BAMAdawg10

While I admittedly lean a little left, I don't consider myself a liberal because there are many elements and values of the conservative/Republic party I agree with, and because I've voted for my fair share of Republicans as well. That being said, it appears to be pretty ignorant for conservatives to blame Obama and those who voted for him as the cause for the government shutdown. Obamacare was passed into law just like every other bill/law in this country, correct? Republicans knew full well that it would be enacted if Obama was re-elected, correct? If so, WIN THE FUCKING ELECTIONS if you don't want Obamacare to be put into effect. Holding the country hostage is incredibly extreme and irresponsible just because, for lack of a better term, you don't like the election results and will do anything to get your way. I understand the ideal of standing up for your constituents and their values/beliefs, but to force a government shut down just because you aren't getting your way is disappointing and embarrassing.

Am I missing anything here? I've only read a few things here and there, so I probably am not entirely knowledgeable on everything that has led up to this, but the main theme seems to be pretty clear.

RaceBannon

What you're missing is that Obama had unilaterally exempted companies from the mandate until after the 14 elections so as not to lose both houses when people find out what's in the bill we had to pass to find out what'sin it. If he wants to lie and pick and choose what part of a law he will enact when the I have no problem with the house trying tosave me from that piece of shit as an iindividual. The government didn't have to be shut down and it isn't anyway. Obama wanted this so the mythical tea party can be blamed for his fucked up economy

Swaye

RaceBannon said:

What you're missing is that Obama had unilaterally exempted companies from the mandate until after the 14 elections so as not to lose both houses when people find out what's in the bill we had to pass to find out what'sin it. If he wants to lie and pick and choose what part of a law he will enact when the I have no problem with the house trying tosave me from that piece of shit as an iindividual. The government didn't have to be shut down and it isn't anyway. Obama wanted this so the mythical tea party can be blamed for his fucked up economy

This. Obamacare was sold as a pack of lies. It is an epic disaster. Ask anyone who actually works for a living. Welfare losers love it though, which is the Democratic base - well, them and hippies/PETA fags (and fags of course). 150K

MikeDamone

It falls on the backs of the middle class. They will see their premiums go up and many families that are now covered will lose it as companies move to only cover the employee. Most of the middle class won't get much, if any subsidy to buy insurance from the exchanges (which are more expensive than pre ACA plans). The poor will get more free coverage, the rich don't give a fuck. The average family will pay serval thousands a year more. They should all say "fuck you", pay the penalty, and then get insurance when they need it.

Homebrew_Dawg

America, welcome to demagoguery. Very sinister legislation by which the ruling elite has plungered the country.

Rinse. Repeat. Sorry, no more fucking soap. Make your own.

CuntWaffle

Hey at least I can feel good living in a Country that is providing Health Care from some fat drunk by noon guy who has no ambition to get a real job right?

MikeDamone

CuntWaffle said:

Hey at least I can feel good living in a Country that is providing Health Care from some fat drunk by noon guy who has no ambition to get a real job right?

I'm not fat.

Swaye

MikeDamone said:

It falls on the backs of the middle class. They will see their premiums go up and many families that are now covered will lose it as companies move to only cover the employee. Most of the middle class won't get much, if any subsidy to buy insurance from the exchanges (which are more expensive than pre ACA plans). The poor will get more free coverage, the rich don't give a fuck. The average family will pay serval thousands a year more. They should all say "fuck you", pay the penalty, and then get insurance when they need it.

Glad I retired from the military. Not that I have world beater insurance, but at least it is affordable. Company I work at, premiums for a family of 4 went from 138 per pay cycle (14 days), to 298 per pay cycle, while the yearly deductible went from 2500 to 5000, and co-pays doubled. The company (big one - Fortune 500 type) sent out a letter specifically saying that the changes were due to the Affordable Care Act. So, over twice the price for half the insurance. Sweet deal.

I know this is a sample size of one company, but I know this info for a fact, as ALL my co-workers are super pissed off and showing their new rates around the office. I would also say most of us are "middle class." So, anyone who thought this was a good deal for the middle class workers of this country should be shot behind the barn. Oh yeah, and our providers changed because the company that did handle our contract did not renew it.

Again, doesn't affect me as a military retiree, but I feel for everyone in my company. I can't see any silver lining in this, other than some welfare recipients get more shit, while the working class pays for it. Socialism is so fun.

Total fucking goat rope.

Tailgater

BAMAdawg10 said:

While I admittedly lean a little left, I don't consider myself a liberal because there are many elements and values of the conservative/Republic party I agree with, and because I've voted for my fair share of Republicans as well. That being said, it appears to be pretty ignorant for conservatives to blame Obama and those who voted for him as the cause for the government shutdown. Obamacare was passed into law just like every other bill/law in this country, correct? Republicans knew full well that it would be enacted if Obama was re-elected, correct? If so, WIN THE FUCKING ELECTIONS if you don't want Obamacare to be put into effect. Holding the country hostage is incredibly extreme and irresponsible just because, for lack of a better term, you don't like the election results and will do anything to get your way. I understand the ideal of standing up for your constituents and their values/beliefs, but to force a government shut down just because you aren't getting your way is disappointing and embarrassing.

Am I missing anything here? I've only read a few things here and there, so I probably am not entirely knowledgeable on everything that has led up to this, but the main theme seems to be pretty clear.

Forget about Obamacare and the lies conservative radicals use to beat it down. Whether it works or not, the Affordable Healthcare Act (Obamacare) passed into law is almost exactly the same as the plan designed not long ago by Republicans to save or improve a healthcare system that is failing and not accessable to millions of working Americans who aren't poor enough to be eligible for Medicare. I don't believe that Obamacare is nearly progressive enough to be the answer to America's healthcare embarrassment, but it's a start probably in a useful direction.

Obamacare is not the reason why Congressional conservative radicals, known to most of us as self-described Tea Partiers, are intent on shutting down the Federal Government and if they can also very soon prevent the raising of the debt limit. If they pull this off with their small (35 votes?) minority in the House of Representatives, the U.S. Treasury would be forced to default on our national debt, thus probably trashing the greenback and plunging America and the rest of the modern World into economic/financial failure the likes of which we haven't seen since the Great Depression or worse.

Why would Tea Party congressmen do such a thing? As far fetched as it seems, these radicals have got themselves elected on a political ideology or theology that promises to change the Federal Government by destroying it as we now know it with a kind of apocalyptic anarchist agenda or program. These conservative radicals represent perhaps one-half of one-third of Republican voters in the USA and as such have no chance of legislating the Federal reforms they and other less-radical conservatives have long promised, and thus must resort demolition and rebuild instead.
With radical anarchic methods, they have been able so far to rule in the House and block any vote on a reasonable Federal budget.

Obamacare which is a law the GOP claims to still want repealed, after repeated votes to do so that could never pass in the Senate nor override a Presidential veto, is only the poison pill they hope against hope we will all swallow as their justification for shutting down and demolishing the government they so hate. The Tea Party radical's true purpose is to take our Federal Government down even if it's necessary to destroy our economy and financials to get that done by weakening our national government's huge monetary power. No wonder some states such as Texas are talking about succeeding from the union. It's too bad the Lincoln's GOP didn't hang all confederate leaders and Dixie democrats after the Civil War for it's beginning to smell like......... they're baaack.

greenblood

Government shut down my ass. I checked the mailbox today, and guess what?.............I have mail!!!

MikeDamone

Tailgater said:

BAMAdawg10 said:

While I admittedly lean a little left, I don't consider myself a liberal because there are many elements and values of the conservative/Republic party I agree with, and because I've voted for my fair share of Republicans as well. That being said, it appears to be pretty ignorant for conservatives to blame Obama and those who voted for him as the cause for the government shutdown. Obamacare was passed into law just like every other bill/law in this country, correct? Republicans knew full well that it would be enacted if Obama was re-elected, correct? If so, WIN THE FUCKING ELECTIONS if you don't want Obamacare to be put into effect. Holding the country hostage is incredibly extreme and irresponsible just because, for lack of a better term, you don't like the election results and will do anything to get your way. I understand the ideal of standing up for your constituents and their values/beliefs, but to force a government shut down just because you aren't getting your way is disappointing and embarrassing.

Am I missing anything here? I've only read a few things here and there, so I probably am not entirely knowledgeable on everything that has led up to this, but the main theme seems to be pretty clear.

Forget about Obamacare and the lies conservative radicals use to beat it down. Whether it works or not, the Affordable Healthcare Act (Obamacare) passed into law is almost exactly the same as the plan designed not long ago by Republicans to save or improve a healthcare system that is failing and not accessable to millions of working Americans who aren't poor enough to be eligible for Medicare. I don't believe that Obamacare is nearly progressive enough to be the answer to America's healthcare embarrassment, but it's a start probably in a useful direction.

Obamacare is not the reason why Congressional conservative radicals, known to most of us as self-described Tea Partiers, are intent on shutting down the Federal Government and if they can also very soon prevent the raising of the debt limit. If they pull this off with their small (35 votes?) minority in the House of Representatives, the U.S. Treasury would be forced to default on our national debt, thus probably trashing the greenback and plunging America and the rest of the modern World into economic/financial failure the likes of which we haven't seen since the Great Depression or worse.

Why would Tea Party congressmen do such a thing? As far fetched as it seems, these radicals have got themselves elected on a political ideology or theology that promises to change the Federal Government by destroying it as we now know it with a kind of apocalyptic anarchist agenda or program. These conservative radicals represent perhaps one-half of one-third of Republican voters in the USA and as such have no chance of legislating the Federal reforms they and other less-radical conservatives have long promised, and thus must resort demolition and rebuild instead.
With radical anarchic methods, they have been able so far to rule in the House and block any vote on a reasonable Federal budget.

Obamacare which is a law the GOP claims to still want repealed, after repeated votes to do so that could never pass in the Senate nor override a Presidential veto, is only the poison pill they hope against hope we will all swallow as their justification for shutting down and demolishing the government they so hate. The Tea Party radical's true purpose is to take our Federal Government down even if it's necessary to destroy our economy and financials to get that done by weakening our national government's huge monetary power. No wonder some states such as Texas are talking about succeeding from the union. It's too bad the Lincoln's GOP didn't hang all confederate leaders and Dixie democrats after the Civil War for it's beginning to smell like......... they're baaack.

It's a bit more complex than that. Decades of Keynesian economic policy and the monetary policy of the federal reserve has this country on a path of failure. This side show isn't even relevant. There won't be a default anytime soon. The government shut down Is a farce. Nothing important is closed. They should keep what they have closed, closed. And add a bunch more stuff to the list.

Once you understand that the reason liberals and conservatives hate each other, is the fact that each ideology is willing to use the state in order to force their agenda and beliefs on others, then you will have an idea what the real problem is. And it isn't the partisan shit you outlined.

RaceBannon

There is no Tea Party

HTH


Better check under your bed for the boogeyman.

SweatpantsGeneral

MikeDamone said:

Tailgater said:

BAMAdawg10 said:

While I admittedly lean a little left, I don't consider myself a liberal because there are many elements and values of the conservative/Republic party I agree with, and because I've voted for my fair share of Republicans as well. That being said, it appears to be pretty ignorant for conservatives to blame Obama and those who voted for him as the cause for the government shutdown. Obamacare was passed into law just like every other bill/law in this country, correct? Republicans knew full well that it would be enacted if Obama was re-elected, correct? If so, WIN THE FUCKING ELECTIONS if you don't want Obamacare to be put into effect. Holding the country hostage is incredibly extreme and irresponsible just because, for lack of a better term, you don't like the election results and will do anything to get your way. I understand the ideal of standing up for your constituents and their values/beliefs, but to force a government shut down just because you aren't getting your way is disappointing and embarrassing.

Am I missing anything here? I've only read a few things here and there, so I probably am not entirely knowledgeable on everything that has led up to this, but the main theme seems to be pretty clear.

Forget about Obamacare and the lies conservative radicals use to beat it down. Whether it works or not, the Affordable Healthcare Act (Obamacare) passed into law is almost exactly the same as the plan designed not long ago by Republicans to save or improve a healthcare system that is failing and not accessable to millions of working Americans who aren't poor enough to be eligible for Medicare. I don't believe that Obamacare is nearly progressive enough to be the answer to America's healthcare embarrassment, but it's a start probably in a useful direction.

Obamacare is not the reason why Congressional conservative radicals, known to most of us as self-described Tea Partiers, are intent on shutting down the Federal Government and if they can also very soon prevent the raising of the debt limit. If they pull this off with their small (35 votes?) minority in the House of Representatives, the U.S. Treasury would be forced to default on our national debt, thus probably trashing the greenback and plunging America and the rest of the modern World into economic/financial failure the likes of which we haven't seen since the Great Depression or worse.

Why would Tea Party congressmen do such a thing? As far fetched as it seems, these radicals have got themselves elected on a political ideology or theology that promises to change the Federal Government by destroying it as we now know it with a kind of apocalyptic anarchist agenda or program. These conservative radicals represent perhaps one-half of one-third of Republican voters in the USA and as such have no chance of legislating the Federal reforms they and other less-radical conservatives have long promised, and thus must resort demolition and rebuild instead.
With radical anarchic methods, they have been able so far to rule in the House and block any vote on a reasonable Federal budget.

Obamacare which is a law the GOP claims to still want repealed, after repeated votes to do so that could never pass in the Senate nor override a Presidential veto, is only the poison pill they hope against hope we will all swallow as their justification for shutting down and demolishing the government they so hate. The Tea Party radical's true purpose is to take our Federal Government down even if it's necessary to destroy our economy and financials to get that done by weakening our national government's huge monetary power. No wonder some states such as Texas are talking about succeeding from the union. It's too bad the Lincoln's GOP didn't hang all confederate leaders and Dixie democrats after the Civil War for it's beginning to smell like......... they're baaack.

It's a bit more complex than that. Decades of Keynesian economic policy and the monetary policy of the federal reserve has this country on a path of failure. This side show isn't even relevant. There won't be a default anytime soon. The government shut down Is a farce. Nothing important is closed. They should keep what they have closed, closed. And add a bunch more stuff to the list.

Once you understand that the reason liberals and conservatives hate each other, is the fact that each ideology is willing to use the state in order to force their agenda and beliefs on others, then you will have an idea what the real problem is. And it isn't the partisan shit you outlined.

Disagree

But only partially. After 21 plus years in the Army and being a payroll guy since I was 14 I decided to take a knee. Am on a VA program with the post 911 Bill. Going back to school to get my PhD to help fellow vets. Was going to live off a combination of unemployment (drawn for the first time ever in my mid-40s) my 911 stipend and weekend drill pay which amounted to about a third what I made as an active duty Officer but doable. My tuition was paid as well.

Well none of those sources of income will be available after this week. Unemployment is not being paid next week. All Reserve and National Guard units are told to cancel weekend Battle Assembly this month. No stipends and no tuition checks.

Indeed I am temporarily living off the govt fun bag. No argument. Hopefully I earned that.

I'll be fine I grew up in a TUFF logger town in Lewis County. With hairdressers. I don't need no sympathy. I'll figure it out. But this issue isn't just shutting down things that should be.

MikeDamone

koopdog said:

MikeDamone said:

Tailgater said:

BAMAdawg10 said:

While I admittedly lean a little left, I don't consider myself a liberal because there are many elements and values of the conservative/Republic party I agree with, and because I've voted for my fair share of Republicans as well. That being said, it appears to be pretty ignorant for conservatives to blame Obama and those who voted for him as the cause for the government shutdown. Obamacare was passed into law just like every other bill/law in this country, correct? Republicans knew full well that it would be enacted if Obama was re-elected, correct? If so, WIN THE FUCKING ELECTIONS if you don't want Obamacare to be put into effect. Holding the country hostage is incredibly extreme and irresponsible just because, for lack of a better term, you don't like the election results and will do anything to get your way. I understand the ideal of standing up for your constituents and their values/beliefs, but to force a government shut down just because you aren't getting your way is disappointing and embarrassing.

Am I missing anything here? I've only read a few things here and there, so I probably am not entirely knowledgeable on everything that has led up to this, but the main theme seems to be pretty clear.

Forget about Obamacare and the lies conservative radicals use to beat it down. Whether it works or not, the Affordable Healthcare Act (Obamacare) passed into law is almost exactly the same as the plan designed not long ago by Republicans to save or improve a healthcare system that is failing and not accessable to millions of working Americans who aren't poor enough to be eligible for Medicare. I don't believe that Obamacare is nearly progressive enough to be the answer to America's healthcare embarrassment, but it's a start probably in a useful direction.

Obamacare is not the reason why Congressional conservative radicals, known to most of us as self-described Tea Partiers, are intent on shutting down the Federal Government and if they can also very soon prevent the raising of the debt limit. If they pull this off with their small (35 votes?) minority in the House of Representatives, the U.S. Treasury would be forced to default on our national debt, thus probably trashing the greenback and plunging America and the rest of the modern World into economic/financial failure the likes of which we haven't seen since the Great Depression or worse.

Why would Tea Party congressmen do such a thing? As far fetched as it seems, these radicals have got themselves elected on a political ideology or theology that promises to change the Federal Government by destroying it as we now know it with a kind of apocalyptic anarchist agenda or program. These conservative radicals represent perhaps one-half of one-third of Republican voters in the USA and as such have no chance of legislating the Federal reforms they and other less-radical conservatives have long promised, and thus must resort demolition and rebuild instead.
With radical anarchic methods, they have been able so far to rule in the House and block any vote on a reasonable Federal budget.

Obamacare which is a law the GOP claims to still want repealed, after repeated votes to do so that could never pass in the Senate nor override a Presidential veto, is only the poison pill they hope against hope we will all swallow as their justification for shutting down and demolishing the government they so hate. The Tea Party radical's true purpose is to take our Federal Government down even if it's necessary to destroy our economy and financials to get that done by weakening our national government's huge monetary power. No wonder some states such as Texas are talking about succeeding from the union. It's too bad the Lincoln's GOP didn't hang all confederate leaders and Dixie democrats after the Civil War for it's beginning to smell like......... they're baaack.

It's a bit more complex than that. Decades of Keynesian economic policy and the monetary policy of the federal reserve has this country on a path of failure. This side show isn't even relevant. There won't be a default anytime soon. The government shut down Is a farce. Nothing important is closed. They should keep what they have closed, closed. And add a bunch more stuff to the list.

Once you understand that the reason liberals and conservatives hate each other, is the fact that each ideology is willing to use the state in order to force their agenda and beliefs on others, then you will have an idea what the real problem is. And it isn't the partisan shit you outlined.

Disagree

But only partially. After 21 plus years in the Army and being a payroll guy since I was 14 I decided to take a knee. Am on a VA program with the post 911 Bill. Going back to school to get my PhD to help fellow vets. Was going to live off a combination of unemployment (drawn for the first time ever in my mid-40s) my 911 stipend and weekend drill pay which amounted to about a third what I made as an active duty Officer but doable. My tuition was paid as well.

Well none of those sources of income will be available after this week. Unemployment is not being paid next week. All Reserve and National Guard units are told to cancel weekend Battle Assembly this month. No stipends and no tuition checks.

Indeed I am temporarily living off the govt fun bag. No argument. Hopefully I earned that.

I'll be fine I grew up in a TUFF logger town in Lewis County. With hairdressers. I don't need no sympathy. I'll figure it out. But this issue isn't just shutting down things that should be.

Perhaps the shutting should be tuned a bit. But shut none the less? Department of Commerce? The fuck?

Oh, and this "crisis" won't go on long before it's spending like usual. Don't worry, your plans need not change.

SweatpantsGeneral

I agree with the body of your statement. Tons of shit that should be shut down so please don't take my pontificating as a denouncement of your core point. I am personally affected by it but have not lost sight of the poont. Like I said, I will be fine. Never put my eggs in one basket. Was just enjoying being on the dole for once in my miserable and pathetic life.

MikeDamone

koopdog said:

I agree with the body of your statement. Tons of shit that should be shut down so please don't take my pontificating as a denouncement of your core point. I am personally affected by it but have not lost sight of the poont. Like I said, I will be fine. Never put my eggs in one basket. Was just enjoying being on the dole for once in my miserable and pathetic life.

As I, sure you know, I support the troops......

Swaye

monroecougdad said:

Swaye said:

MikeDamone said:

It falls on the backs of the middle class. They will see their premiums go up and many families that are now covered will lose it as companies move to only cover the employee. Most of the middle class won't get much, if any subsidy to buy insurance from the exchanges (which are more expensive than pre ACA plans). The poor will get more free coverage, the rich don't give a fuck. The average family will pay serval thousands a year more. They should all say "fuck you", pay the penalty, and then get insurance when they need it.

Glad I retired from the military. Not that I have world beater insurance, but at least it is affordable. Company I work at, premiums for a family of 4 went from 138 per pay cycle (14 days), to 298 per pay cycle, while the yearly deductible went from 2500 to 5000, and co-pays doubled. The company (big one - Fortune 500 type) sent out a letter specifically saying that the changes were due to the Affordable Care Act. So, over twice the price for half the insurance. Sweet deal.

I know this is a sample size of one company, but I know this info for a fact, as ALL my co-workers are super pissed off and showing their new rates around the office. I would also say most of us are "middle class." So, anyone who thought this was a good deal for the middle class workers of this country should be shot behind the barn. Oh yeah, and our providers changed because the company that did handle our contract did not renew it.

Again, doesn't affect me as a military retiree, but I feel for everyone in my company. I can't see any silver lining in this, other than some welfare recipients get more shit, while the working class pays for it. Socialism is so fun.

Total fucking goat rope.

Wow. The 31% increase my insurance is offering for my family coverage doesn't seem so bad now.

Perhaps my company is an outlier, but those are the facts where I work...oh hell, I work for CSC - Computer Sciences Corporation. Not like them giving shitty healthcare benefits is some state secret that I need to protect. So yeah, CSC is doubling the price for half the service. I cannot help but assume they are not alone. Shitty deal. Still wondering how when the Dems packaged all this they acted like we would have a tad higher taxes, but other than that, nothing would change for the middle class. Oops...kinda fucked that one away.

RaceBannon

The shut down is carefully crafted to fuck people like Loop so he'll buy the lunacy being peddled by tailwager. Kicking people out of Yosemite, blocking wide open monuments and shit while 82% of the government continues stealing us blind.


Yeah it's the tea party


People are fucking stupid