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  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,314 Founders Club

    @koopdog owns this thread.

    Poor Hondo appears on the verge of developing permanently flaring and bleeding hemorrhoids.

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  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Leviticus 20:13 NIV

    That's the Bible.... Your eyes are as good as mine.

    image


    Does the Old Testament still apply? Thought there was a new covenant based on forgiveness and mercy for sins? Is the book of Leviticus even talking about literal death or is it speaking in a figurative sense of spiritual death as the bible often does?

    Love thy neighbor and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Hmm. Seems to be at odds with Leviticus. Wonder why?

    "The wages of sin are death" wasn't talking about the act of killing. It's talking about the fact that your death on earth will be final and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    So you're saying the first few chapters of your book are just filler?
    No. The purpose of the Old Testament is to illustrate the old covenant held by the Hebrews, which involved animal sacrifice to atone for sins. It contains sections where the New Covenant is hinted at through divine prophecy. It also serves to illustrate Jewish history and culture. You need all that to truly understand the purpose/background behind the New Covenant, which was to extend salvation beyond the Jews to the Gentiles.

    Members of the Jewish faith do not recognize Jesus or the new covenant. They follow the Torah, which is contained in the first five books IIRC.
    Just like you truly need to understand the Quran. Rather then trusting your biased news source.
    Prove me wrong with your deep understanding of Islamic law and theology!
    That's the point. You know nothing about the Quran yet are saying it's the Qurans fault for the violence. But your own Bible has similar violent passages that can be misconstrued.
    One doesn't have to understand the Quran to understand that the people that take their Islam seriously seem to agree with Js interpretation.
    Yet there more peaceful Muslims then there are total Christians in this world.
    I'll chip 20 bucks to buy Hondo a ticket to the fine border area of Syria and Iraq. Anyone else?
    Because those Muslims are representative of an Muslims? Be a black dude in the south 100 years ago and tell me the white dudes are representative of Christians.
    I'll give you a chance to take this poast back because I care about you, Son.
    Do you forget the KKK? I should take back our country's history now?
    Seriously? This country has a history of progression. Slavery was outlawed with the 14th amendment. Abolitionists are the heroes. There was a war fought over this (okay, it was economics, but still)

    And you can find a marginalized piece of shit to refute anything.

    Fact: 99.9999998888888888888888888888888764 percent of Christians and Americans are against the issue you're talking about.

    Yet, Islam preaches beating women, misogyny, and hate. And progressives tell us to be kind to these fucks.

    Fuck. For some reason I like you, but you make this easy as shit.
    disagree
  • SweatpantsGeneralSweatpantsGeneral Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,125 Swaye's Wigwam

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Leviticus 20:13 NIV

    That's the Bible.... Your eyes are as good as mine.

    image


    Does the Old Testament still apply? Thought there was a new covenant based on forgiveness and mercy for sins? Is the book of Leviticus even talking about literal death or is it speaking in a figurative sense of spiritual death as the bible often does?

    Love thy neighbor and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Hmm. Seems to be at odds with Leviticus. Wonder why?

    "The wages of sin are death" wasn't talking about the act of killing. It's talking about the fact that your death on earth will be final and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    So you're saying the first few chapters of your book are just filler?
    No. The purpose of the Old Testament is to illustrate the old covenant held by the Hebrews, which involved animal sacrifice to atone for sins. It contains sections where the New Covenant is hinted at through divine prophecy. It also serves to illustrate Jewish history and culture. You need all that to truly understand the purpose/background behind the New Covenant, which was to extend salvation beyond the Jews to the Gentiles.

    Members of the Jewish faith do not recognize Jesus or the new covenant. They follow the Torah, which is contained in the first five books IIRC.
    Just like you truly need to understand the Quran. Rather then trusting your biased news source.
    Prove me wrong with your deep understanding of Islamic law and theology!
    That's the point. You know nothing about the Quran yet are saying it's the Qurans fault for the violence. But your own Bible has similar violent passages that can be misconstrued.
    One doesn't have to understand the Quran to understand that the people that take their Islam seriously seem to agree with Js interpretation.
    Yet there more peaceful Muslims then there are total Christians in this world.
    I'll chip 20 bucks to buy Hondo a ticket to the fine border area of Syria and Iraq. Anyone else?
    Because those Muslims are representative of an Muslims? Be a black dude in the south 100 years ago and tell me the white dudes are representative of Christians.
    I'll give you a chance to take this poast back because I care about you, Son.
    Do you forget the KKK? I should take back our country's history now?
    Seriously? This country has a history of progression. Slavery was outlawed with the 14th amendment. Abolitionists are the heroes. There was a war fought over this (okay, it was economics, but still)

    And you can find a marginalized piece of shit to refute anything.

    Fact: 99.9999998888888888888888888888888764 percent of Christians and Americans are against the issue you're talking about.

    Yet, Islam preaches beating women, misogyny, and hate. And progressives tell us to be kind to these fucks.

    Fuck. For some reason I like you, but you make this easy as shit.
    disagree
    I would like to be wrong here, Sir.
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,314 Founders Club
    koopdog said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Leviticus 20:13 NIV

    That's the Bible.... Your eyes are as good as mine.

    image


    Does the Old Testament still apply? Thought there was a new covenant based on forgiveness and mercy for sins? Is the book of Leviticus even talking about literal death or is it speaking in a figurative sense of spiritual death as the bible often does?

    Love thy neighbor and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Hmm. Seems to be at odds with Leviticus. Wonder why?

    "The wages of sin are death" wasn't talking about the act of killing. It's talking about the fact that your death on earth will be final and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    So you're saying the first few chapters of your book are just filler?
    No. The purpose of the Old Testament is to illustrate the old covenant held by the Hebrews, which involved animal sacrifice to atone for sins. It contains sections where the New Covenant is hinted at through divine prophecy. It also serves to illustrate Jewish history and culture. You need all that to truly understand the purpose/background behind the New Covenant, which was to extend salvation beyond the Jews to the Gentiles.

    Members of the Jewish faith do not recognize Jesus or the new covenant. They follow the Torah, which is contained in the first five books IIRC.
    Just like you truly need to understand the Quran. Rather then trusting your biased news source.
    Prove me wrong with your deep understanding of Islamic law and theology!
    That's the point. You know nothing about the Quran yet are saying it's the Qurans fault for the violence. But your own Bible has similar violent passages that can be misconstrued.
    One doesn't have to understand the Quran to understand that the people that take their Islam seriously seem to agree with Js interpretation.
    Yet there more peaceful Muslims then there are total Christians in this world.
    I'll chip 20 bucks to buy Hondo a ticket to the fine border area of Syria and Iraq. Anyone else?
    Because those Muslims are representative of an Muslims? Be a black dude in the south 100 years ago and tell me the white dudes are representative of Christians.
    I'll give you a chance to take this poast back because I care about you, Son.
    Do you forget the KKK? I should take back our country's history now?
    Seriously? This country has a history of progression. Slavery was outlawed with the 14th amendment. Abolitionists are the heroes. There was a war fought over this (okay, it was economics, but still)

    And you can find a marginalized piece of shit to refute anything.

    Fact: 99.9999998888888888888888888888888764 percent of Christians and Americans are against the issue you're talking about.

    Yet, Islam preaches beating women, misogyny, and hate. And progressives tell us to be kind to these fucks.

    Fuck. For some reason I like you, but you make this easy as shit.
    disagree
    I would like to be wrong here, Sir.
    You're not
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    koopdog said:

    Peterman said:

    Muslims are faggots
    Christians are faggots
    Jews are faggots

    Anyone who even kinda maybe believes in any of that fairytale shit is a dumbfuck

    ....but yeah Muslims are the worst by far

    You're a dumb cunt.

    Empirically speaking.... Equating those is like equating USA, Ukraine, and China.

    Lots of Jews running into gay bars and shooting them up.

    Lots of Americans hijacking planes and crashing them into Dubai.

    Fuck. Off.
    Huh?

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  • SweatpantsGeneralSweatpantsGeneral Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,125 Swaye's Wigwam

    koopdog said:

    Peterman said:

    Muslims are faggots
    Christians are faggots
    Jews are faggots

    Anyone who even kinda maybe believes in any of that fairytale shit is a dumbfuck

    ....but yeah Muslims are the worst by far

    You're a dumb cunt.

    Empirically speaking.... Equating those is like equating USA, Ukraine, and China.

    Lots of Jews running into gay bars and shooting them up.

    Lots of Americans hijacking planes and crashing them into Dubai.

    Fuck. Off.
    Huh?

    image
    Nice outlier trying to prove the poont as always.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter

    koopdog said:

    Peterman said:

    Muslims are faggots
    Christians are faggots
    Jews are faggots

    Anyone who even kinda maybe believes in any of that fairytale shit is a dumbfuck

    ....but yeah Muslims are the worst by far

    You're a dumb cunt.

    Empirically speaking.... Equating those is like equating USA, Ukraine, and China.

    Lots of Jews running into gay bars and shooting them up.

    Lots of Americans hijacking planes and crashing them into Dubai.

    Fuck. Off.
    Huh?

    image
    Is that Kobar, Sudan, Lebanon, or Jakarta?
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Leviticus 20:13 NIV

    That's the Bible.... Your eyes are as good as mine.

    image


    Does the Old Testament still apply? Thought there was a new covenant based on forgiveness and mercy for sins? Is the book of Leviticus even talking about literal death or is it speaking in a figurative sense of spiritual death as the bible often does?

    Love thy neighbor and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Hmm. Seems to be at odds with Leviticus. Wonder why?

    "The wages of sin are death" wasn't talking about the act of killing. It's talking about the fact that your death on earth will be final and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    So you're saying the first few chapters of your book are just filler?
    No. The purpose of the Old Testament is to illustrate the old covenant held by the Hebrews, which involved animal sacrifice to atone for sins. It contains sections where the New Covenant is hinted at through divine prophecy. It also serves to illustrate Jewish history and culture. You need all that to truly understand the purpose/background behind the New Covenant, which was to extend salvation beyond the Jews to the Gentiles.

    Members of the Jewish faith do not recognize Jesus or the new covenant. They follow the Torah, which is contained in the first five books IIRC.
    Just like you truly need to understand the Quran. Rather then trusting your biased news source.
    Prove me wrong with your deep understanding of Islamic law and theology!
    That's the point. You know nothing about the Quran yet are saying it's the Qurans fault for the violence. But your own Bible has similar violent passages that can be misconstrued.
    One doesn't have to understand the Quran to understand that the people that take their Islam seriously seem to agree with Js interpretation.
    Yet there more peaceful Muslims then there are total Christians in this world.
    Source? You're a fucking idiot as usual. I have lived among these folk in 4 different cuntries. If you call being misogynist to the point of beating and maiming, even killing a woman if she gazes on an infidel, throwing homos off of buildings, and having no intrinsic value for human life peaceful, you're the biggest dumbfuck that ever fucked.

    It is not a religion of peace. At all. It is a religion of hate. Go ahead and marginalize the fringe Christians that mainstream Christianity disowns. Cool. I do too.

    Imagine a Christian radical group in a Moslem Cuntry doing what these fucks are doing in ours. How would that be dealt with? With open border, cries for tolerance, and disarming the population? They're bullies no matter what you think.

    If this country was a bully, we'd own Canada, Mexico, and the world except for China.

    Fuck off and grow the fuck up.


    Funny Hondo supports people who would throw him off the tallest building available.
    I don't support terrorists. Dumb fuck.
    Certainly. However, the gay throwers call themselves orthodox statesmen.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    koopdog said:

    koopdog said:

    Peterman said:

    Muslims are faggots
    Christians are faggots
    Jews are faggots

    Anyone who even kinda maybe believes in any of that fairytale shit is a dumbfuck

    ....but yeah Muslims are the worst by far

    You're a dumb cunt.

    Empirically speaking.... Equating those is like equating USA, Ukraine, and China.

    Lots of Jews running into gay bars and shooting them up.

    Lots of Americans hijacking planes and crashing them into Dubai.

    Fuck. Off.
    Huh?

    image
    Nice outlier trying to prove the poont as always.
    Do you even know who I am?
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club
    Peterman said:

    Peterman said:

    Muslims are faggots
    Christians are faggots
    Jews are faggots

    Anyone who even kinda maybe believes in any of that fairytale shit is a dumbfuck

    ....but yeah Muslims are the worst by far

    I've always respected REAL Atheists.
    Everyone is born a gay atheist
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,314 Founders Club

    koopdog said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Leviticus 20:13 NIV

    That's the Bible.... Your eyes are as good as mine.

    image


    Does the Old Testament still apply? Thought there was a new covenant based on forgiveness and mercy for sins? Is the book of Leviticus even talking about literal death or is it speaking in a figurative sense of spiritual death as the bible often does?

    Love thy neighbor and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Hmm. Seems to be at odds with Leviticus. Wonder why?

    "The wages of sin are death" wasn't talking about the act of killing. It's talking about the fact that your death on earth will be final and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    So you're saying the first few chapters of your book are just filler?
    No. The purpose of the Old Testament is to illustrate the old covenant held by the Hebrews, which involved animal sacrifice to atone for sins. It contains sections where the New Covenant is hinted at through divine prophecy. It also serves to illustrate Jewish history and culture. You need all that to truly understand the purpose/background behind the New Covenant, which was to extend salvation beyond the Jews to the Gentiles.

    Members of the Jewish faith do not recognize Jesus or the new covenant. They follow the Torah, which is contained in the first five books IIRC.
    Just like you truly need to understand the Quran. Rather then trusting your biased news source.
    Prove me wrong with your deep understanding of Islamic law and theology!
    That's the point. You know nothing about the Quran yet are saying it's the Qurans fault for the violence. But your own Bible has similar violent passages that can be misconstrued.
    One doesn't have to understand the Quran to understand that the people that take their Islam seriously seem to agree with Js interpretation.
    Yet there more peaceful Muslims then there are total Christians in this world.
    I'll chip 20 bucks to buy Hondo a ticket to the fine border area of Syria and Iraq. Anyone else?
    Because those Muslims are representative of an Muslims? Be a black dude in the south 100 years ago and tell me the white dudes are representative of Christians.
    I'll give you a chance to take this poast back because I care about you, Son.
    Do you forget the KKK? I should take back our country's history now?
    Seriously? This country has a history of progression. Slavery was outlawed with the 14th amendment. Abolitionists are the heroes. There was a war fought over this (okay, it was economics, but still)

    And you can find a marginalized piece of shit to refute anything.

    Fact: 99.9999998888888888888888888888888764 percent of Christians and Americans are against the issue you're talking about.

    Yet, Islam preaches beating women, misogyny, and hate. And progressives tell us to be kind to these fucks.

    Fuck. For some reason I like you, but you make this easy as shit.
    disagree
    I would like to be wrong here, Sir.
    Bombard them from orbit.

    There, you're wrong...sir.

    HH translator -> Bombard them from orbit -> Orbital socket bombarding -> Skull fuck them
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    koopdog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Leviticus 20:13 NIV

    That's the Bible.... Your eyes are as good as mine.

    image


    Does the Old Testament still apply? Thought there was a new covenant based on forgiveness and mercy for sins? Is the book of Leviticus even talking about literal death or is it speaking in a figurative sense of spiritual death as the bible often does?

    Love thy neighbor and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Hmm. Seems to be at odds with Leviticus. Wonder why?

    "The wages of sin are death" wasn't talking about the act of killing. It's talking about the fact that your death on earth will be final and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    So you're saying the first few chapters of your book are just filler?
    No. The purpose of the Old Testament is to illustrate the old covenant held by the Hebrews, which involved animal sacrifice to atone for sins. It contains sections where the New Covenant is hinted at through divine prophecy. It also serves to illustrate Jewish history and culture. You need all that to truly understand the purpose/background behind the New Covenant, which was to extend salvation beyond the Jews to the Gentiles.

    Members of the Jewish faith do not recognize Jesus or the new covenant. They follow the Torah, which is contained in the first five books IIRC.
    Just like you truly need to understand the Quran. Rather then trusting your biased news source.
    Prove me wrong with your deep understanding of Islamic law and theology!
    That's the point. You know nothing about the Quran yet are saying it's the Qurans fault for the violence. But your own Bible has similar violent passages that can be misconstrued.
    One doesn't have to understand the Quran to understand that the people that take their Islam seriously seem to agree with Js interpretation.
    Yet there more peaceful Muslims then there are total Christians in this world.
    I'll chip 20 bucks to buy Hondo a ticket to the fine border area of Syria and Iraq. Anyone else?
    Because those Muslims are representative of an Muslims? Be a black dude in the south 100 years ago and tell me the white dudes are representative of Christians.
    I'll give you a chance to take this poast back because I care about you, Son.
    Do you forget the KKK? I should take back our country's history now?
    Seriously? This country has a history of progression. Slavery was outlawed with the 14th amendment. Abolitionists are the heroes. There was a war fought over this (okay, it was economics, but still)

    And you can find a marginalized piece of shit to refute anything.

    Fact: 99.9999998888888888888888888888888764 percent of Christians and Americans are against the issue you're talking about.

    Yet, Islam preaches beating women, misogyny, and hate. And progressives tell us to be kind to these fucks.

    Fuck. For some reason I like you, but you make this easy as shit.
    The point that I'm getting at, that's lost on you and most everyone else here. It's not the religion that's the issue, just like conservatives always remind us that it's not the gun that's the issue (which they are correct). The issue is the people that preach hate and kids that grow up with that hate.

    There are Christian nations that treat women like shit and preach hate. Yet you don't think that's about the religion. Women couldn't vote in America until 1920. It wasn't until 1966 that black people could vote in every state. There are peaceful Muslim countries. There are many peaceful Muslims here in America.

    While yes a higher percentage of Muslims are fucked up. It's a societal issue. One we made worse by overthrowing Iraq. Whenever you destabilize a country, the militants take over which is exactly what happened, with the entire region.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,314 Founders Club

    The Albatross of moral equivalency is balls deep in Hondo's rectum
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,149 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Leviticus 20:13 NIV

    That's the Bible.... Your eyes are as good as mine.

    image


    Does the Old Testament still apply? Thought there was a new covenant based on forgiveness and mercy for sins? Is the book of Leviticus even talking about literal death or is it speaking in a figurative sense of spiritual death as the bible often does?

    Love thy neighbor and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Hmm. Seems to be at odds with Leviticus. Wonder why?

    "The wages of sin are death" wasn't talking about the act of killing. It's talking about the fact that your death on earth will be final and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    So you're saying the first few chapters of your book are just filler?
    No. The purpose of the Old Testament is to illustrate the old covenant held by the Hebrews, which involved animal sacrifice to atone for sins. It contains sections where the New Covenant is hinted at through divine prophecy. It also serves to illustrate Jewish history and culture. You need all that to truly understand the purpose/background behind the New Covenant, which was to extend salvation beyond the Jews to the Gentiles.

    Members of the Jewish faith do not recognize Jesus or the new covenant. They follow the Torah, which is contained in the first five books IIRC.
    Just like you truly need to understand the Quran. Rather then trusting your biased news source.
    Prove me wrong with your deep understanding of Islamic law and theology!
    That's the point. You know nothing about the Quran yet are saying it's the Qurans fault for the violence. But your own Bible has similar violent passages that can be misconstrued.
    One doesn't have to understand the Quran to understand that the people that take their Islam seriously seem to agree with Js interpretation.
    Yet there more peaceful Muslims then there are total Christians in this world.
    Many of them get their news and info from Rush, Faux News, fringe reactionary sites...and here...

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    It's not the religion that's the issue, just like conservatives always remind us that it's not the gun that's the issue (which they are correct). The issue is the people that preach hate and kids that grow up with that hate.

    That sure ended the conversation.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,149 Founders Club
    My .02:

    The ultra-conservative, ass backwards, anachronistic aspects of Islam are worse than other religions, but the media exaggerates those aspects.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter

    My .02:

    The ultra-conservative, ass backwards, anachronistic aspects of Islam are worse than other religions, but the media exaggerates those aspects.

    You could have stopped at the "but." That asspect has committed some of the vilest crimes of this century. Would place in the last century too.
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