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Travell Dixon's performance on Saturday

I thought he didn't look terrible. A slight bright spot in a sea of chaos and unparalleled failure.
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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,939 Swaye's Wigwam
    Travell Dixon might be our #2 corner this season.

    I know Sidney Jones plays most of the second half after Peters was benched, but he didn't look so great on most of those plays. He didn't allow himself to get beat deep, but there were several passes completed in front of him where he was 2-3 yards away from the receiver. I understand they were playing zone, but he wasn't even position to make some of those tackles (like on the fumble play, he took himself out of the play by being out of position). Still, he tackles, which makes him better than Kelly and should be playing over Kelly.

    I don't remember much of Hale or Gardenhire in the game, though I do remember Gardenhire getting beat on one of the TDs over the top when Beaver was late getting over (think it was the one that put them up to 38).
  • CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,976 Founders Club
    Question for anyone who watched the EWU scrimmage. Did it seem like the safety help was missing often? From the few highlights and listening on the radio, it seemed like safety help over the top was either late getting to the ball or just not there.

    TIA.
  • alumni94alumni94 Member Posts: 4,858
    My biggest issue with the dbs was their inability to get off blocks during the run or bubble screen plays. The coverage was there often like Irish points out, but they need to play the ball a little bit better.
  • WilburHooksHandsWilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    edited September 2014
    alumni94 said:

    My biggest issue with the dbs was their inability to get off blocks during the run or bubble screen plays. The coverage was there often like Irish points out, but they need to play the ball a little bit better.

    This could potentially just be the physical immaturity of freshman.
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 5,219 Standard Supporter
    This kind of detailed analysis makes me pitch tent in sweatpants.

    Question for anyone who watched the EWU scrimmage. Did it seem like the safety help was missing often? From the few highlights and listening on the radio, it seemed like safety help over the top was either late getting to the ball or just not there.

    TIA.

    TD 1 - Cover 2, King got over late after cheating on crossing route.

    TD 2 - straight man, Timu & Shaq got denied on blitz, Kelly with decent coverage, perfect thrown ball, but an experienced CB should have broken it up

    TD 3 - straight man, Budda missed his bump on WR, game over. Late in the game, Budda got closer to his man and bumped him off his route.

    TD 4 - Cover 2, the Beav was really late. With all these young safeties, I would love to see them use some Cover 3 looks because it looks like they are getting sucked in by seam and crossing routes.

    TD 5 - Zone, Peters had to bump the outside WR, and it looked liked Shaq didn't get in the flat quick enough.

    TD 6 - Man by Jones with no safety help. Perfect coverage, perfect throw, perfect catch. Only coaching point would how he played the ball in the air.

    TD 7 - Man by King in the RZ, step behind the WR, perfect throw and King did not make the play on the ball.

    Dixon looked great outside of the dropped pick. He could be one of those guys who does not bring it in practice, but steps up when the lights are on.

    Jones and Kelly looked like they both have a high upside, but are going to struggle at times.

    Walker appears to be our best overall safety right now with Budda playing the slot WR most of the time. King and Beavs have the physical tools, but look like they are having trouble reading the play which is a quick death for a S. Cover 3 coach, Cover 3!!!!

    One of the big problems was our pash rush not getting to the QB on key plays, and when they did it got nullified by stupid penalties.

    Bad news = 52 pts to EWU

    Good news = EWU needing a lot of things falling in their favor to keep drives alive and the mistakes created a lot of teachable moments for the coaching staff.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,790 Founders Club

    Question for anyone who watched the EWU scrimmage. Did it seem like the safety help was missing often? From the few highlights and listening on the radio, it seemed like safety help over the top was either late getting to the ball or just not there.

    TIA.

    TD 1 - Cover 2, King got over late after cheating on crossing route.

    TD 2 - straight man, Timu & Shaq got denied on blitz, Kelly with decent coverage, perfect thrown ball, but an experienced CB should have broken it up

    TD 3 - straight man, Budda missed his bump on WR, game over. Late in the game, Budda got closer to his man and bumped him off his route.

    TD 4 - Cover 2, the Beav was really late. With all these young safeties, I would love to see them use some Cover 3 looks because it looks like they are getting sucked in by seam and crossing routes.

    TD 5 - Zone, Peters had to bump the outside WR, and it looked liked Shaq didn't get in the flat quick enough.

    TD 6 - Man by Jones with no safety help. Perfect coverage, perfect throw, perfect catch. Only coaching point would how he played the ball in the air.

    TD 7 - Man by King in the RZ, step behind the WR, perfect throw and King did not make the play on the ball.

    Dixon looked great outside of the dropped pick. He could be one of those guys who does not bring it in practice, but steps up when the lights are on.

    Jones and Kelly looked like they both have a high upside, but are going to struggle at times.

    Walker appears to be our best overall safety right now with Budda playing the slot WR most of the time. King and Beavs have the physical tools, but look like they are having trouble reading the play which is a quick death for a S. Cover 3 coach, Cover 3!!!!

    One of the big problems was our pash rush not getting to the QB on key plays, and when they did it got nullified by stupid penalties.

    Bad news = 52 pts to EWU

    Good news = EWU needing a lot of things falling in their favor to keep drives alive and the mistakes created a lot of teachable moments for the coaching staff.
    No doubt you will all be whining about that post in five years. Give it up,
    take a Midol and go back to bed.
  • EsophagealFecesEsophagealFeces Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,447 Swaye's Wigwam

    Question for anyone who watched the EWU scrimmage. Did it seem like the safety help was missing often? From the few highlights and listening on the radio, it seemed like safety help over the top was either late getting to the ball or just not there.

    TIA.

    TD 1 - Cover 2, King got over late after cheating on crossing route.

    TD 2 - straight man, Timu & Shaq got denied on blitz, Kelly with decent coverage, perfect thrown ball, but an experienced CB should have broken it up

    TD 3 - straight man, Budda missed his bump on WR, game over. Late in the game, Budda got closer to his man and bumped him off his route.

    TD 4 - Cover 2, the Beav was really late. With all these young safeties, I would love to see them use some Cover 3 looks because it looks like they are getting sucked in by seam and crossing routes.

    TD 5 - Zone, Peters had to bump the outside WR, and it looked liked Shaq didn't get in the flat quick enough.

    TD 6 - Man by Jones with no safety help. Perfect coverage, perfect throw, perfect catch. Only coaching point would how he played the ball in the air.

    TD 7 - Man by King in the RZ, step behind the WR, perfect throw and King did not make the play on the ball.

    Dixon looked great outside of the dropped pick. He could be one of those guys who does not bring it in practice, but steps up when the lights are on.

    Jones and Kelly looked like they both have a high upside, but are going to struggle at times.

    Walker appears to be our best overall safety right now with Budda playing the slot WR most of the time. King and Beavs have the physical tools, but look like they are having trouble reading the play which is a quick death for a S. Cover 3 coach, Cover 3!!!!

    One of the big problems was our pash rush not getting to the QB on key plays, and when they did it got nullified by stupid penalties.

    Bad news = 52 pts to EWU

    Good news = EWU needing a lot of things falling in their favor to keep drives alive and the mistakes created a lot of teachable moments for the coaching staff.
    Take this to the higher discussion bored. Good chit, tho.
  • PassionPassion Member Posts: 4,622

    Question for anyone who watched the EWU scrimmage. Did it seem like the safety help was missing often? From the few highlights and listening on the radio, it seemed like safety help over the top was either late getting to the ball or just not there.

    TIA.


    One of the big problems was our pash rush not getting to the QB on key plays, and when they did it got nullified by stupid penalties.

    Amen to that.
    The Formula: PUTMHFTE.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    @IrishDawg22‌ - Great Post. I saw it the same way as you. Some terrible defense was being played, but penalties, dropped picks, and missed sacks greatly contributed to Eastern scoring 52. It could have been a lot different game. A big credit to Vernon Adams too. He is really good at keeping the play alive and I haven't seen a QB drop that many dimes in awhile.

    I thought Dixon looked pretty good. Jones struggled some, but he's physical for a slight freshman. I want to see him play a little more. Kelly has been really bad. His coverage and tackling have both been bad. At safety, I'm not sure who has been the best.
  • fivehundredmileDAWGfivehundredmileDAWG Member Posts: 1,212

    @IrishDawg22‌ - Great Post. I saw it the same way as you. Some terrible defense was being played, but penalties, dropped picks, and missed sacks greatly contributed to Eastern scoring 52. It could have been a lot different game. A big credit to Vernon Adams too. He is really good at keeping the play alive and I haven't seen a QB drop that many dimes in awhile.

    I thought Dixon looked pretty good. Jones struggled some, but he's physical for a slight freshman. I want to see him play a little more. Kelly has been really bad. His coverage and tackling have both been bad. At safety, I'm not sure who has been the best.

    This my nega ^^

    Vernell is a combo of that black QB in Seattle that won't amount to much and Johnny Foosball ... The kid has ice in his veins.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,940
    edited September 2014
    As usual @IrishDawg22‌ has this place dialed in ...

    The kids are young ... you can see glimpses, but it will take a bit of time ...

    The safeties really need to grow up in a hurry though ...

    One thing I will add is that there are a lot of people talking shit about the pass rush not getting to the QB ... but they are in general getting tremendous amounts of pressure on the QB. I'm very satisfied in that regard while also knowing that there's room for some improvement there as it is.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Tequilla said:

    As usual @IrishDawg22‌ has this place dialed in ...

    The kids are young ... you can see glimpses, but it will take a bit of time ...

    The safeties really need to grow up in a hurry though ...

    One thing I will add is that there are a lot of people talking shit about the pass rush not getting to the QB ... but they are in general getting tremendous amounts of pressure on the QB. I'm very satisfied in that regard while also knowing that there's room for some improvement there as it is.

    I think we had 7 sacks, but the pass rush was not very good. There were far too many plays where Adams had all day to throw or only had to escape pressure from one guy. Some of those times were when we rushed three, which we did far too often. I think their needs to be some scheme/personnel changes from last week.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,940
    @RoadDawg55‌

    That's the point I was making about there being room for improvement - the updated scheme/personnel changes could drive a little extra improvement.

    I agree that there's some opportunities for extra consistency in the pass rush.

    That being said, if you get 7 sacks each week, it's hard to get too critical of the pass rush.
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    The secondary is going to be frustrating all season long, I have accepted that. Hopefully a little less frustrating each week. It is going to be set up very nice for the future since they will be rotating in a lot of young guys.
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsiCokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    I think we had about 11 sacks if not for penalties cancelling them.
  • AtomicDawgAtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,233 Standard Supporter
    I don't expect the pass rush to be better against a balanced team. There was no fear of a running game.
    I think our secondary will be far below average this year. THis scrimmage on Saturday should tell us something as to how bad as Illinois doesn't run the ball either and should be similar to Wazzu and Cal.
  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,939 Swaye's Wigwam

    TD 1 - Cover 2, King got over late after cheating on crossing route.

    Yeah, they had the right defense called. King over the top would've been enough to break up the pass. In fact, you could see Peters chewing out King after the play because he was late over the top.

    TD 2 - straight man, Timu & Shaq got denied on blitz, Kelly with decent coverage, perfect thrown ball, but an experienced CB should have broken it up

    Yeah, Kelly was a step behind, got beat about 10 yards off the LOS and was playing catch-up. Adams saw it and made a perfect throw.

    TD 5 - Zone, Peters had to bump the outside WR, and it looked liked Shaq didn't get in the flat quick enough.

    They were in zone with Peters in the flat, Shaq inside and Walker deep. Peters had to cover the far WR leaving the inside one to Shaq. Shaq dropped back and the inside WR ran a short out route with Peters and the far WR bumping. It was an easy decision to dump it to the inside WR. He caught the ball in Peter's zone and Peters got off his block but wasn't able to make the tackle (a second too late). Shaq was late and ran behind the WR and Walker tackled his shoes. This one is a teaching point for the defense.

    TD 6 - Man by Jones with no safety help. Perfect coverage, perfect throw, perfect catch. Only coaching point would how he played the ball in the air.

    That and bumping his WR at the LOS. I think if we had Peters on the field that play, they would not have scored a TD.

    One of the big problems was our pash rush not getting to the QB on key plays, and when they did it got nullified by stupid penalties.

    That, but part of it was on Adams moving around in the pocket, escaping the pocket and buying time with his feet. EWU shifted their game plan to a lot of quick underneath throws after they struggled on the opening drive and it worked brilliantly when we were in zone coverage. They were able to move the field because the quick passes negated our pass rush (mostly 3-man) and Adams was able to find the open receivers. It was bad.

    But our coaching staff figured it out and made adjustments in the second half. If it weren't for Peter's stupid penalty and that fortuitous tip drill on 4th down, we could have potentially limited EWU to one second half TD and made the score 59-38. One of the more amusing adjustments was lining up Shelton in the 7-technique on some 3rd downs and stunting inside. I think he got a sack or two on that package.
  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Tequilla said:

    @RoadDawg55‌

    That's the point I was making about there being room for improvement - the updated scheme/personnel changes could drive a little extra improvement.

    I agree that there's some opportunities for extra consistency in the pass rush.

    That being said, if you get 7 sacks each week, it's hard to get too critical of the pass rush.

    I would rather have had two sacks with pressure on every play than seven sacks and absolutely no pressurefrom the three man front.
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