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A Q for the Wealth Creators

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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    Swaye said:

    I'm pretty sure I would kill something if a Clinton/Pelosi ticket won.

    Stop for a minute and really think about how good the last 6 years have been. Do you want the progressive cause to end in 2016? Sure, we might not all identify ourselves as progressives, or even Democrats, but it's clear the Obama-led progressive wing of the Democratic party is truly acting in the best interests of every person on American soil.
    They just need more time is all. People forget that America was 0-12 in 2008.
    Very funny Purp. But like I said, the time for government cynicism has passed. The time for hope is now. Join us, will you?
    Yes. I can.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter
    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Swaye said:

    I'm pretty sure I would kill something if a Clinton/Pelosi ticket won.

    Stop for a minute and really think about how good the last 6 years have been. Do you want the progressive cause to end in 2016? Sure, we might not all identify ourselves as progressives, or even Democrats, but it's clear the Obama-led progressive wing of the Democratic party is truly acting in the best interests of every person on American soil.
    They just need more time is all. People forget that America was 0-12 in 2008.
    Very funny Purp. But like I said, the time for government cynicism has passed. The time for hope is now. Join us, will you?
    Yes. I can.
    Awesome! Thanks! Feels good, doesn't it, letting go of all that mistrust? Tell your friends.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Swaye said:

    I'm pretty sure I would kill something if a Clinton/Pelosi ticket won.

    Stop for a minute and really think about how good the last 6 years have been. Do you want the progressive cause to end in 2016? Sure, we might not all identify ourselves as progressives, or even Democrats, but it's clear the Obama-led progressive wing of the Democratic party is truly acting in the best interests of every person on American soil.
    They just need more time is all. People forget that America was 0-12 in 2008.
    Very funny Purp. But like I said, the time for government cynicism has passed. The time for hope is now. Join us, will you?
    Yes. I can.
    Awesome! Thanks! Feels good, doesn't it, letting go of all that mistrust? Tell your friends.
    BRB. Facebook meme hunting.

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  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    edited July 2014
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    AZDuck said:

    The structure of first-past-the-post inexorably leads to a two-party system. It's baked into the cake.

    California, Texas, Florida, and New York should have more say than Wyoming. Let's say those states get 4 Senators. Washington, and other middle-range states should get 2 or 3. Wyoming, Vermont, and the other dinkies get one, which is more than they deserve by sheer proportion of population, which I think helps them represent their interests - after all, Wyoming doesn't have 1/4 of CA's population. And DC should be represented in Congress.


    The question was about what I think - I think the Supremes got it wrong WRT political speech. I also think that the Supremes do a bit more legislating from the bench than they should - lib and conservative. I think that a lib court would be more likely to craft a ruling that I would agree with, but I would rather this issue be handled explicitly by the constitutional document. In most countries elections are managed by the legislature as representing the will of the sovereign (the people) rather than the people that think they know best (the judges).

    "wide disparities" - I don't think the Founders thought that we would have this much disparity between the states. I also don't care. It's undemocratic as hell.

    So you are basically saying do away with the Senate.

    And if you do so, does Wyoming and Vermont have the right to leave the Union?

    At the end of the day.

    No Constitution has lasted as long as America's.

    It survived a Civil War, which the reigning President ignored it, but it survived.

    It survived FDR fucking with it.

    It survived Nixon.

    It may survive Obama.

    I think it works.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2014
    But waste and overreaching government spending isn't caused by the constitution. It lies in the fact that we have an institution with the power to compel taxes, plus a constituency that think they benefit from the exercise of this power, it is recipe for an endless series of excuses to incrementally expand that power. Also the same argument made against "greedy" capitalist can be made against a greedy government. At the end of it all they are comprised of people who have the same flaws and capacity for evil. It's just a lot harder to break up the monopoly that is the government.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    This thread has staked out new territory in the land of TLDR.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club

    This thread has staked out new territory in the land of TLDR.

    We know you can't read. It's okay bud.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    Swaye said:

    I'm pretty sure I would kill something if a Clinton/Pelosi ticket won.

    Stop for a minute and really think about how good the last 6 years have been. Do you want the progressive cause to end in 2016? Sure, we might not all identify ourselves as progressives, or even Democrats, but it's clear the Obama-led progressive wing of the Democratic party is truly acting in the best interests of every person on AND SOON TO BE ON American soil.
    Fixed.

  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    Swaye said:

    This thread taught me that Grundle is smarter than he lets on, and I am quite dumb.

    I don't know man. Who finances Jet Skis?
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter
    OZONE said:

    Swaye said:

    This thread taught me that Grundle is smarter than he lets on, and I am quite dumb.

    I don't know man. Who finances Jet Skis?
    hryk
  • whlinderwhlinder Member Posts: 4,882 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    You had me at:

    We should pay just enough taxes to keep the government running and nothing more. Government at every level has become a corpulent octopus that tries to financially strangle us through taxation.


    I just stopped reading there. Fuck taxes (not all just most).

    Big picture I totally agree with you.

    But as a NOVA resident you want the rest of the country paying taxes for stupid programs that serve to employ more people in NOVA, raise our house values, improve our local economy, etc etc

    So while I think minimalist, efficient government is best for the country, I also look out for #1.

    And as always, Fuck Maryland
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    Upvoted for Fuck Maryland. You could smash my nuts with a tenderizing mallet, but if you said Fuck Maryland at the end, I would still like you.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Swaye said:

    Upvoted for Fuck Maryland. You could smash my nuts with a tenderizing mallet, but if you said Fuck Maryland at the end, I would still like you.

    Does Maryland suck?
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club
    Does the Pope shit in the woods?
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club
    Baltimore is in Maryland, you know.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    PurpleJ said:

    Does the Pope shit on your chest for good luck?

  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    Maryland is a total shit show.
  • DardanusDardanus Member Posts: 2,623
    edited July 2014
    PurpleJ said:

    Baltimore is in Maryland, you know.

    There are some good people in Baltimore. Guys like McNulty, Bunk, Avon, Omar, Lester Freamon, Ossai, Bubbles, etc.
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