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The things that cost the GOP from winning bigger in the election

DerekJohnson
DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,195 Founders Club
edited November 2022 in Tug Tavern
First off, Lake and Masters will win. If Laxalt wins, the GOP looks like they have the Senate 51-48 and waiting on the GA runoff. The GOP will have about a 10-15 seat lead in the House. We won't know the final numbers for everything for another 7-10 days because the Dems are slow-walking this.

But here are the things that hurt the GOP badly and prevented The Red Wave everyone anticipated

Corporate GOP abandoned several MAGA candidates. They clearly didn't want MAGA candidates to win

The GOP never attempted to respond to the abortion issue. They were too afraid of angering voters.

The many thousands of people that left PA and NY for Florida, probably impacted the PA and NY races with their absence.

Democrats brilliantly used TikTok influencers and that got Gen Z voters out in droves. Few people saw that coming.

McCarthy played limp-wristed and played everything with a 3 wood right down the middle. Never went on the attack

NRCC had a coordinated effort to sabotage MAGA candidates. McCarthy literally told one candidate who lost that he needed to get in line and use their consultants or else he would receive no money from the party. He refused and therefore was denied funds, and McCarthy stopped returning his calls.

Some uniparty GOP are now saying that the path forward is to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats. No, absolutely not! The corporate GOP needs to go. McCarthy must go and McConnell must go. They are the enemy within.


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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661
    Everything I've seen is showing them losing
  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,672 Founders Club

    Everything I've seen is showing them losing

    I keep hearing this from people that clearly chug corporate media
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,003
    edited November 2022

    Everything I've seen is showing them losing

    You shut your dirty whore mouth.

    #mykari is going to win.

    Everything I read is that the counts in NV and AZ are getting slow rolled for a late Friday/Saturday morning announcement as to stay off the news cycle.



  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,964
    Kari might but masters would be a shock
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,964
    And nevada is within 9k
  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,672 Founders Club
    edited November 2022
    “See corporate media was right and told me they would lose, you election deniers are all the same, REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS IN MARICOPA, counting 👏always 👏 takes 👏 a 👏 week”


  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club
    edited November 2022
    Trump does get blame even a lot of blame because 5 years of attacks and his descent into madness worked. He's Colonel Kurtz at this point

    But that obscures the bigger point that someone else will be to blame the next time and the time after that because the narrative works and the GOP are basically losers

    Walker should have won by more!!!!1111!!!. So what stopped Kemp or DeSantis from putting it on the line and stumping for him? Where was Cocaine Mitch? The GOP raised hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't do shit

    The democrats put 7 million dollars and boots on the ground the day the run off was announced. The GOP cried about Trump

    Kemp and DeSantis are on the clock. Get your ass to Georgia if you want to lead
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    edited November 2022

    Trump does get blame even a lot of blame because 5 years of attacks and his descent into madness worked. He's Colonel Kurtz at this point

    But that obscures the bigger point that someone else will be to blame the next time and the time after that because the narrative works and the GOP are basically losers

    Walker should have won by more!!!!1111!!!. So what stopped Kemp or DeSantis from putting it on the line and stumping for him? Where was Cocaine Mitch? The GOP raised hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't do shit

    The democrats put 7 million dollars and boots on the ground the day the run off was announced. The GOP cried about Trump

    Kemp and DeSantis are on the clock. Get your ass to Georgia if you want to lead

    I know you are all fired up but Kemp is already in Georgia.



    Also saw smarmy Ted Cruz with Walker on the teevee last night. Smart of Ted.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    Trump does get blame even a lot of blame because 5 years of attacks and his descent into madness worked. He's Colonel Kurtz at this point

    But that obscures the bigger point that someone else will be to blame the next time and the time after that because the narrative works and the GOP are basically losers

    Walker should have won by more!!!!1111!!!. So what stopped Kemp or DeSantis from putting it on the line and stumping for him? Where was Cocaine Mitch? The GOP raised hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't do shit

    The democrats put 7 million dollars and boots on the ground the day the run off was announced. The GOP cried about Trump

    Kemp and DeSantis are on the clock. Get your ass to Georgia if you want to lead

    I know you are all fired up but Kemp is already in Georgia.



    Also saw smarmy Ted Cruz with Walker on the teevee last night. Smart of Ted.
    I know that Kemp has a mansion in Georgia

    Stolen from your people
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,003
    edited November 2022

    Trump does get blame even a lot of blame because 5 years of attacks and his descent into madness worked. He's Colonel Kurtz at this point

    But that obscures the bigger point that someone else will be to blame the next time and the time after that because the narrative works and the GOP are basically losers

    Walker should have won by more!!!!1111!!!. So what stopped Kemp or DeSantis from putting it on the line and stumping for him? Where was Cocaine Mitch? The GOP raised hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't do shit

    The democrats put 7 million dollars and boots on the ground the day the run off was announced. The GOP cried about Trump

    Kemp and DeSantis are on the clock. Get your ass to Georgia if you want to lead

    Mark Levine essentially went down this path yesterday. The Great One has Cocaine Mitch in his sights.

    In temporary defense of Kemp and DeSantis not stumping for Herschel, they had their own races to win. Now they don't, so get on that midnight train to Georgia and help a brother out.

    Every 'star' in the GOP should plan on spending Thanksgiving in Savannah. Kari Lake, Kristi Noem, DeSantis, Trump, McCarthy should be like Sherman marching to the see torching the leftists along the way. You know for damned sure every celebrity who ever made a movie in GA is going to be there. And fat ass Stacey Abrams will be running her trash talk for the next few weeks.

    If they remain silent, they are Mitch's underlings and nothing more.

  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    edited November 2022

    Swaye said:

    Trump does get blame even a lot of blame because 5 years of attacks and his descent into madness worked. He's Colonel Kurtz at this point

    But that obscures the bigger point that someone else will be to blame the next time and the time after that because the narrative works and the GOP are basically losers

    Walker should have won by more!!!!1111!!!. So what stopped Kemp or DeSantis from putting it on the line and stumping for him? Where was Cocaine Mitch? The GOP raised hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't do shit

    The democrats put 7 million dollars and boots on the ground the day the run off was announced. The GOP cried about Trump

    Kemp and DeSantis are on the clock. Get your ass to Georgia if you want to lead

    I know you are all fired up but Kemp is already in Georgia.



    Also saw smarmy Ted Cruz with Walker on the teevee last night. Smart of Ted.
    I know that Kemp has a mansion in Georgia

    Stolen from your people
    And it being Gawguh it really was stolen from my actual people. I should move in and claim 1st Nation squatters rights.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    Back on topic. Say what you want about Cruz (and I have), but he has good political instincts nowadays. While everyone else is whining (me included) he was on the first plane to Georgia to support Walker. I assume he plans to give it a go in 24 again. Still good to go down Souff and start playing hardball while McConnell figures out more ways to lose the right way with stooges like Murkowski.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club

    Trump does get blame even a lot of blame because 5 years of attacks and his descent into madness worked. He's Colonel Kurtz at this point

    But that obscures the bigger point that someone else will be to blame the next time and the time after that because the narrative works and the GOP are basically losers

    Walker should have won by more!!!!1111!!!. So what stopped Kemp or DeSantis from putting it on the line and stumping for him? Where was Cocaine Mitch? The GOP raised hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't do shit

    The democrats put 7 million dollars and boots on the ground the day the run off was announced. The GOP cried about Trump

    Kemp and DeSantis are on the clock. Get your ass to Georgia if you want to lead

    Mark Levine essentially went down this path yesterday. The Great One has Cocaine Mitch in his sights.

    In temporary defense of Kemp and DeSantis not stumping for Herschel, they had their own races to win. Now they don't, so get on that midnight train to Georgia and help a brother out.

    Every 'star' in the GOP should plan on spending Thanksgiving in Savannah. Kari Lake, Kristi Noem, DeSantis, Trump, McCarthy should be like Sherman marching to the see torching the leftists along the way. You know for damned sure every celebrity who ever made a movie in GA is going to be there. And fat ass Stacey Abrams will be running her trash talk for the next few weeks.

    If they remain silent, they are Mitch's underlings and nothing more.

    We agree my GOP friend

    By the way Noem got a record number of votes in her re election
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,003

    Trump does get blame even a lot of blame because 5 years of attacks and his descent into madness worked. He's Colonel Kurtz at this point

    But that obscures the bigger point that someone else will be to blame the next time and the time after that because the narrative works and the GOP are basically losers

    Walker should have won by more!!!!1111!!!. So what stopped Kemp or DeSantis from putting it on the line and stumping for him? Where was Cocaine Mitch? The GOP raised hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't do shit

    The democrats put 7 million dollars and boots on the ground the day the run off was announced. The GOP cried about Trump

    Kemp and DeSantis are on the clock. Get your ass to Georgia if you want to lead

    Mark Levine essentially went down this path yesterday. The Great One has Cocaine Mitch in his sights.

    In temporary defense of Kemp and DeSantis not stumping for Herschel, they had their own races to win. Now they don't, so get on that midnight train to Georgia and help a brother out.

    Every 'star' in the GOP should plan on spending Thanksgiving in Savannah. Kari Lake, Kristi Noem, DeSantis, Trump, McCarthy should be like Sherman marching to the see torching the leftists along the way. You know for damned sure every celebrity who ever made a movie in GA is going to be there. And fat ass Stacey Abrams will be running her trash talk for the next few weeks.

    If they remain silent, they are Mitch's underlings and nothing more.

    We agree my GOP friend

    By the way Noem got a record number of votes in her re election
    The Warriors win because they get along when it counts.

    The Nets suck because they hate each other.

  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661
    I'm in georgia
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,003

    I'm in georgia

    Go Dawgs
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club

    I'm in georgia

    There goes the senate
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Everything I've seen is showing them losing

    I keep hearing this from people that clearly chug corporate media
    I'm not basing my opinion on anything I've read in corporate media. I'm looking at the counties that still have significant outstanding votes and I'm looking at how those counties have voted.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club
    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    No he doesn't

    Why is he scared of a loser? Why would his crowds be smaller if Georgia hates Trump?

    The GOP lost both senate seats in 20 and are going for 3 losses in a row

    Time for Ron to step up

    Trump is already blamed for 2 of the losses and will be blamed for this one

  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    edited November 2022

    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    No he doesn't

    Why is he scared of a loser? Why would his crowds be smaller if Georgia hates Trump?

    The GOP lost both senate seats in 20 and are going for 3 losses in a row

    Time for Ron to step up

    Trump is already blamed for 2 of the losses and will be blamed for this one

    It’s a lose/lose for him. Don’t play the game with Trump. Let him flail away. Walker doesn’t need DeSantis. He has Trump. Ali stayed on the ropes. He won in the end.

    If Trump had not been a child in 2020 those two seats would be GOP already. Instead he did nothing as Lin Woods told MAGA to stay home. Let him clean up his mess. They love him in GA. I’m hearing.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,566 Standard Supporter

    Everything I've seen is showing them losing

    Lake will probably win.

    Masters has a lot to overcome.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club
    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    No he doesn't

    Why is he scared of a loser? Why would his crowds be smaller if Georgia hates Trump?

    The GOP lost both senate seats in 20 and are going for 3 losses in a row

    Time for Ron to step up

    Trump is already blamed for 2 of the losses and will be blamed for this one

    It’s a lose/lose for him. Don’t play the game with Trump. Let him flail away. Walker doesn’t need DeSantis. He has Trump. Ali stayed on the ropes. He won in the end.

    If Trump had not been a child in 2020 those two seats would be GOP already. Instead he did nothing as Lin Woods told MAGA to stay home. Let him clean up his mess. They love him in GA. I’m hearing.
    I'd rather win

    Time for Ron to step up

    You want him to be as petty as Trump

    Time to move on
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    No he doesn't

    Why is he scared of a loser? Why would his crowds be smaller if Georgia hates Trump?

    The GOP lost both senate seats in 20 and are going for 3 losses in a row

    Time for Ron to step up

    Trump is already blamed for 2 of the losses and will be blamed for this one

    It’s a lose/lose for him. Don’t play the game with Trump. Let him flail away. Walker doesn’t need DeSantis. He has Trump. Ali stayed on the ropes. He won in the end.

    If Trump had not been a child in 2020 those two seats would be GOP already. Instead he did nothing as Lin Woods told MAGA to stay home. Let him clean up his mess. They love him in GA. I’m hearing.
    I'd rather win

    Time for Ron to step up

    You want him to be as petty as Trump

    Time to move on
    DeSantis is smart.

    Trump is petty.

    This is obvious.

    Let Trump punch himself out.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,003
    edited November 2022
    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    If anyone, Trump is the one who needs to stay away. His following is already locked in for Herschel.

    The goal is to pick up NEW voters (especially out of those 80K libertarians).

    DeSantis is dreamy - he'll pick up some more mommies.

    THEN if Herschel falls, Trump can blame DeSantis.

    No upside for Trump to go to Georgia. Massive upside for DeSantis if he can show that he's the new face of the GOP and people are willing to follow him.

  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,622 Founders Club

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    No he doesn't

    Why is he scared of a loser? Why would his crowds be smaller if Georgia hates Trump?

    The GOP lost both senate seats in 20 and are going for 3 losses in a row

    Time for Ron to step up

    Trump is already blamed for 2 of the losses and will be blamed for this one

    It’s a lose/lose for him. Don’t play the game with Trump. Let him flail away. Walker doesn’t need DeSantis. He has Trump. Ali stayed on the ropes. He won in the end.

    If Trump had not been a child in 2020 those two seats would be GOP already. Instead he did nothing as Lin Woods told MAGA to stay home. Let him clean up his mess. They love him in GA. I’m hearing.
    I'd rather win

    Time for Ron to step up

    You want him to be as petty as Trump

    Time to move on
    This is about turnout at this point. All hands on deck.

    Trump can help there no doubt. Perhaps Ron can convert some of the Kemp/Warnock voters. If he can't then he isn't the guy. Bring in the Paul's and get that 2% libertarian vote.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club
    The losers in 20 weren't maga and no one gave a shit what Lin Wood said. They lost

    Walker is maga and is in the same run off

    Throbber is right. Time to meet the new boss and win

    If DeSantis is scared of Trump he isn't the guy. If he's scared of losing he isn't the guy

    For some reason Kemp out performs all of the senate candidates maga or not.

    Just fucking win
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    If anyone, Trump is the one who needs to stay away. His following is already locked in for Herschel.

    The goal is to pick up NEW voters (especially out of those 80K libertarians).

    DeSantis is dreamy - he'll pick up some more mommies.

    THEN if Herschel falls, Trump can blame DeSantis.

    No upside for Trump to go to Georgia. Massive upside for DeSantis if he can show that he's the new face of the GOP and people are willing to follow him.

    Disagree. If he goes and Walker loses that gives Trump more ammo. Let Trump take all the glory.

    Like I said a massive lose/lose for America’s Governor. Trump will blame him either way. Don’t play his game.

    MAGA isn’t going to vote DeSantis if he beats out Trump. They’ll stay home and cry like they did in GA in 2020. Unless Trump man’s up this time and throws his support to Ron.

    He won’t. He will run as an independent.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,660 Founders Club
    edited November 2022
    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    If anyone, Trump is the one who needs to stay away. His following is already locked in for Herschel.

    The goal is to pick up NEW voters (especially out of those 80K libertarians).

    DeSantis is dreamy - he'll pick up some more mommies.

    THEN if Herschel falls, Trump can blame DeSantis.

    No upside for Trump to go to Georgia. Massive upside for DeSantis if he can show that he's the new face of the GOP and people are willing to follow him.

    Disagree. If he goes and Walker loses that gives Trump more ammo. Let Trump take all the glory.

    Like I said a massive lose/lose for America’s Governor. Trump will blame him either way. Don’t play his game.

    MAGA isn’t going to vote DeSantis if he beats out Trump. They’ll stay home and cry like they did in GA in 2020. Unless Trump man’s up this time and throws his support to Ron.

    He won’t. He will run as an independent.
    This would be why people wouldn't trust DeSantis to be anything other than another timid hack

    If DeSantis beats Trump then ipso facto he got the maga vote

    Maga is an idea not a man

    Adults like me can separate the two. The narrative doesn't want that
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    If DeSantis goes to stump for Walker and Trump does the same, Trump will brag about having bigger crowds.

    If Walker wins Trump will claim its because of him. If Walker loses Trump will blame DeSantis for screwing it up.

    DeSantis needs to stay away.

    If anyone, Trump is the one who needs to stay away. His following is already locked in for Herschel.

    The goal is to pick up NEW voters (especially out of those 80K libertarians).

    DeSantis is dreamy - he'll pick up some more mommies.

    THEN if Herschel falls, Trump can blame DeSantis.

    No upside for Trump to go to Georgia. Massive upside for DeSantis if he can show that he's the new face of the GOP and people are willing to follow him.

    Disagree. If he goes and Walker loses that gives Trump more ammo. Let Trump take all the glory.

    Like I said a massive lose/lose for America’s Governor. Trump will blame him either way. Don’t play his game.

    MAGA isn’t going to vote DeSantis if he beats out Trump. They’ll stay home and cry like they did in GA in 2020. Unless Trump man’s up this time and throws his support to Ron.

    He won’t. He will run as an independent.
    This would be why people wouldn't trust DeSantis to be anything other than another timid hack

    If DeSantis beats Trump then ipso facto he got the maga vote

    Maga is an idea not a man

    Adults like me can separate the two. The narrative doesn't want that
    You might be able to separate the two but that isn't the case for all of Trump's supporters.