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Question for the Broad: New Redshirt Rules
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The redshirt rules were updated so that players can play in 4 games and still count the year as a redshirt. This has two major impacts, specifically for true freshman and for players who have major injuries that would not qualify for a medical redshirt. The injury situation is pretty straightforward, but there is some strategy for how to maximize the benefit for the true freshman (game experience, having film) and how they can benefit the team.
You could either do it in one of two ways. Do you play the freshman in the 4 easiest games that are blowouts and there is no risk in losing the game (North Dakota, BYU, Oregon State, Wazzu)? This strategy has the least amount of risk and is probably the ideal situation. But we don't always live in an ideal world, so do you wait until the middle/end of the season in case there are injuries to starters and you need to sprinkle in freshman for depth? Had this rule been in place in 2014, we would have seen Greg Gaines in 2014, as he was 2nd string DT before the Hawaii game but ended up redshirting so we could use him in 2018 (thank God for that). This strategy carries much more risk but it addresses a gap should injuries play a factor, especially when you have a highly talented true freshman that may perform better than 2nd or 3rd team.
Which leads to another factor to consider, is that redshirt freshman and sophomores also struggle to find playing time, even when we have blowouts. For example, when looking at DL, Scrempos, Rice, and Sterk played in 3, 3, and 0 games respectively in 2017. Is part of the new redshirt strategy to prioritize mop-up duty to highly talented freshman over others?
Question time: what do you think is the best way to maximize the new redshirting rule or how do you hope Petersen and staff use it in 2018?
You could either do it in one of two ways. Do you play the freshman in the 4 easiest games that are blowouts and there is no risk in losing the game (North Dakota, BYU, Oregon State, Wazzu)? This strategy has the least amount of risk and is probably the ideal situation. But we don't always live in an ideal world, so do you wait until the middle/end of the season in case there are injuries to starters and you need to sprinkle in freshman for depth? Had this rule been in place in 2014, we would have seen Greg Gaines in 2014, as he was 2nd string DT before the Hawaii game but ended up redshirting so we could use him in 2018 (thank God for that). This strategy carries much more risk but it addresses a gap should injuries play a factor, especially when you have a highly talented true freshman that may perform better than 2nd or 3rd team.
Which leads to another factor to consider, is that redshirt freshman and sophomores also struggle to find playing time, even when we have blowouts. For example, when looking at DL, Scrempos, Rice, and Sterk played in 3, 3, and 0 games respectively in 2017. Is part of the new redshirt strategy to prioritize mop-up duty to highly talented freshman over others?
Question time: what do you think is the best way to maximize the new redshirting rule or how do you hope Petersen and staff use it in 2018?
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Today I believe you can dress as many as you want but only 80 can play and you can only travel 70.
It's like if Locker played after Stanback went down.That team makes a bowl game.
Let's say you intend to play a physical/athletic player early but they struggle mightily with the mental side you can back track and no harm no foul.
Or you can play them the rest of the year and play them only 4 the next if they don't get it or get passed up by a phenom.
It's a pretty awesome rule. It's like playing with house money. It will help develop while simultaneously expedite the sold couches of players beyond their depth
I thought the quooks always complained that DJ was only successful because he coukd take so many players and nobody was left for the ducks.
I think if you have players that are in your three deeps, but look really promising, you might see what they can do vs North Dakota. These would be like:
Sirmon
Yankoff
Culp
Tuli
Taki
Kaho
Kyler
Dom
Julius
The guys that look really ready, you just continue playing and those that don’t, you save for the end of the season maybe getting them some playing time vs OSU (if we are out of the P12N race) or WSU (if we are in it).
You would assume we’d only continue playing one QB, one DL and one DB unless they are all somehow in the 2-deeps.
But other guys you think are likely to be good enough toward the end of the season, but you’d like to redshirt if possible should probably start up vs Oregon State.
If we are a 1-loss team at that point you would set up for them to start vs a weak opponent like OSU, then they would be eligible for that, the Apple Cup, a P12 championship game and a bowl game.
Those guys would be:
Ozzy
Spiker
Lowe
Curne (possibly)
Bynum (please move him to WTE)
Liu
Tafisi
Sirmon
That basically leaves out Newton, Ale and Mele who probably should not be playing, but plays everyone else.
We really just need one freshman DL to play and then the rest are pretty “bonus” players unless somehow Kaho could unseat BBK.
Last, we have some players that are injured that we might start back vs OSU while preserving a redshirt in Hunter Bryant and Brandon Wellington.
As far as the relevant positions are concerned, I’m assuming the depth with look like this:
QB: Brownie, Haener, Yankoff
X: Ty Jones, QPounds, Spiker
Z: Aaron Fuller, Cook, Chin/Osborne
Y: McClatcher, Baccelia, Bynum, Lowe
TE: Sample, Kizer, Otton, Culp, Neal
DL1: Jaylen, Levi, Tuli/Taki
DL2: Greg, Bowman/Pulu/Scrempos/Bronson
CB1: Murphy, Bryant, Hampton
CB2: Miller, Taylor, Irvin
NICK: Joyner, Molden
SS: Jojo, McKinney
FS: Rapp, Gilchrist/Gordon
True Freshmen who aren't ready physically. These are your guys who in years past would immediately put the RS on upon stepping on campus. Play them in your 4 easiest games (assuming you get up big in each of them) just to give them some garbage time experience.
True Freshmen who may be ready, but due to the depth chart may not see much action. I would play these guys in 1-2 of the easy OOC games for some seasoning to see how they do, then hold on to their last 2-3 games for the later part of the season (when injuries start to add up). That way they can play a couple games in November when depth is needed, without burning their RS.
True Freshmen who are ready to contribute; Play them in every game, as you did in year's past.
Outside of that it wastes a year of eligibility. And newsflash to all dawgman subscribers, a minority of people who play as true freshmen go to the draft early.
One of the reasons why, in the past, frosh outside of the two deeps played a lot was because you didn’t want to waste a season.
Throw in ND State and the Cuog - there ya go!
House money, bitches!!