I'm more libertarian than not, but not to the extreme that I think it's ok for communists or nazis to take over the business of governing just because they were voted in. That's where libertarianism ends. It can't coexist with those types of systems.
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
Never said it did. BUT if we were smart and quit stepping on our dicks we could have a healthcare system in this country that was both free market and socialistic.
HSA accounts for medical care up to a certain amount. Single payer for catastrophic. That's the solution my frens.
Libertarianism will fail, like anything when it's taken to the extreme. So say you follow the philosophy of libertarianism in 1930's Germany. Your fellow citizens voted in fascists. You stood by twiddling your thumbs as the country was taken over by thugs. You might be excused because you have no roadmap at the time showing you were this is all going to lead, but you helped kill your own liberty by allowing the mob to fundamentally change the nature of the country into something hostile to liberty, into something that goes against the nature of its founding principles. It must now become your sole purpose to overthrow that system. By then it's too late. You failed.
Suppose I agree with you. How do we fix this? How do we prevent socialist nazi commies from holding public office? Do we stop the problem at the source? Do we stop them from voting? How do we do that? Well, every problem has a solution. Right?
Quit being such a pussy and spit it out. Remember. No half measures. I want solutions that will work. Bonus points if you come up with the most efficient way of accomplishing your goal.
Suppose I agree with you. How do we fix this? How do we prevent socialist nazi commies from holding public office? Do we stop the problem at the source? Do we stop them from voting? How do we do that? Well, every problem has a solution. Right?
Quit being such a pussy and spit it out. Remember. No half measures. I want solutions that will work. Bonus points if you come up with the most efficient way of accomplishing your goal.
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
This libertarian gobbledygook.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
This libertarian gobbledygook.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
This libertarian gobbledygook.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
- APAG
Except that until we started allowing government intervention into the free market we had the best healthcare in the world at the lowest cost.
It wasn't until the government "fixed" healthcare through medicaid, medicare, and mandating treatment that we dropped to 37th...
Sure looks like a free market right?!
Also, don't let confounding variables like American's poor lifestyle choices, the fact that unhealthy rich people tend to spend more on healthcare, or the fact that we have a de-facto fucked up universal emergency care system get in the way of your tired MSNBC talking points.
I agree that the current system is fubar. The root cause of that is the government's over regulation and a little concept called crowding out though. Not some mythic profits that the health insurance companies are making. If they were everyone would be buying their stocks and they would be crushing the trading floor. Why isn't that happening? Oh right, because they make single digit margins.
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
This libertarian gobbledygook.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
- APAG
Except that until we started allowing government intervention into the free market we had the best healthcare in the world at the lowest cost.
It wasn't until the government "fixed" healthcare through medicaid, medicare, and mandating treatment that we dropped to 37th...
Sure looks like a free market right?!
Also, don't let confounding variables like American's poor lifestyle choices, the fact that unhealthy rich people tend to spend more on healthcare, or the fact that we have a de-facto fucked up universal emergency care system get in the way of your tired MSNBC talking points.
I agree that the current system is fubar. The root cause of that is the government's over regulation and a little concept called crowding out though. Not some mythic profits that the health insurance companies are making. If they were everyone would be buying their stocks and they would be crushing the trading floor. Why isn't that happening? Oh right, because they make single digit margins.
I think part of the problem with health ins companies is the ridiculous amount of reserves that some states require them to have. Some 2 or 3 times what other states require.
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
This libertarian gobbledygook.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
- APAG
Except that until we started allowing government intervention into the free market we had the best healthcare in the world at the lowest cost.
It wasn't until the government "fixed" healthcare through medicaid, medicare, and mandating treatment that we dropped to 37th...
Sure looks like a free market right?!
Also, don't let confounding variables like American's poor lifestyle choices, the fact that unhealthy rich people tend to spend more on healthcare, or the fact that we have a de-facto fucked up universal emergency care system get in the way of your tired MSNBC talking points.
I agree that the current system is fubar. The root cause of that is the government's over regulation and a little concept called crowding out though. Not some mythic profits that the health insurance companies are making. If they were everyone would be buying their stocks and they would be crushing the trading floor. Why isn't that happening? Oh right, because they make single digit margins.
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
This libertarian gobbledygook.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
- APAG
Except that until we started allowing government intervention into the free market we had the best healthcare in the world at the lowest cost.
It wasn't until the government "fixed" healthcare through medicaid, medicare, and mandating treatment that we dropped to 37th...
Sure looks like a free market right?!
Also, don't let confounding variables like American's poor lifestyle choices, the fact that unhealthy rich people tend to spend more on healthcare, or the fact that we have a de-facto fucked up universal emergency care system get in the way of your tired MSNBC talking points.
I agree that the current system is fubar. The root cause of that is the government's over regulation and a little concept called crowding out though. Not some mythic profits that the health insurance companies are making. If they were everyone would be buying their stocks and they would be crushing the trading floor. Why isn't that happening? Oh right, because they make single digit margins.
I’d rather debate a flat earth, anti vaxx, 9/11 truther than pretend there’s an honest conversation to be had with a libertarian.
So the majority doesn't think banning socialists is a good idea. Ok. How do you deal with them then? Because no one in their right mind wants those fucks running the country in the future. It would be the end of America. The alternative is to dismantle and rebuild the broken education system that failed to educate them about the evils of Marxism/socialism/communism. Trump getting to name another justice to the court will go a long way in pre-emptively breaking the legs of the next generation so that it will be more difficult for them to get these filthy systems of oppression and failure off the ground. It's all about stopping millennials from acting on the ignorance they were taught by their predecessors, Gen X and the baby boomers.
Dubya was the end of America. Obama was the end of America. Trump is the end of America. Now universal healthcare will bring us to our knees. Dubya was a nazi. Obama was a nazi. Trump is a nazi. Now paying for college is the same as gassing Jews.
And we don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. We’ll just amend the constitution.
You're a difficult one to read and you're far from stupid, what's your deal? What do you have to gain from socialism? What makes you think your buddies will succeed where their predecessors have all failed in every country it's been tried in?
Capitalism is the best economic system humans have come up but it’s not perfect. And when and where it fails us we need to be willing to look at alternatives. Healthcare is the best example of this. We have the 37th ranked healthcare system and we are the worlds lone super power. Capitalism fails us here.
The countries with the best healthcare all have universal healthcare. It’s not about socialism, I want the system that’s the best. So if you can come up with a way to get America to number 1, where we should be striving to be on everything, that keeps the healthcare system in the capitalist system, I’m all ears. Until then, we have a problem, I have a solution and you’re screaming about Nazis.
The difference between us, in my view, is you think one economic system is inherently good and another inherently evil. I think they’re tools to be used. You can use the tools to do good and you can use them to do evil. It’s not the tools fault what you do with it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right?
You asked what I have to gain. I believe a capitalist system that utilizes the best elements of socialism will make America the best it can be. I think kids walking off their college campus with a degree and no debt is good for the country. Just like I think improving healthcare is good for the country. Some people will have to sacrifice more then others to make the country a better place. But some asshole once said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and I don’t understand how anyone that calls themselves a patriot doesn’t think that way.
This!
When people axe my about my political beliefs, I often say I'm FREE MARKET SOCIALIST.
Socialismo myths. The US doesn't have a free market healthcare system. We've been moving away from that for 30+ years and spending has gone up while health outcomes have gone down because of ever more government involvement in an attempt to "fix" the free market.
Government interventionism creates market imbalances and poor outcomes which it then uses to justify further interventionism. Socialist playbook 101.
Want to see what "American" single payer looks like? Look no further than Dialysis which ironically the GOP signed into law as single payer. It's a fucking disaster that is only getting worse.
Or what about "Universal care"...The VA would be your example of that. They can't get good outcomes for a population of people who are considered a sacred cows where no expense is too much.
Socialists should still be able to hold office. Much like the rest of the idiots that can.
“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek
This libertarian gobbledygook.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
- APAG
Except that until we started allowing government intervention into the free market we had the best healthcare in the world at the lowest cost.
It wasn't until the government "fixed" healthcare through medicaid, medicare, and mandating treatment that we dropped to 37th...
Sure looks like a free market right?!
Also, don't let confounding variables like American's poor lifestyle choices, the fact that unhealthy rich people tend to spend more on healthcare, or the fact that we have a de-facto fucked up universal emergency care system get in the way of your tired MSNBC talking points.
I agree that the current system is fubar. The root cause of that is the government's over regulation and a little concept called crowding out though. Not some mythic profits that the health insurance companies are making. If they were everyone would be buying their stocks and they would be crushing the trading floor. Why isn't that happening? Oh right, because they make single digit margins.
I’d rather debate a flat earth, anti vaxx, 9/11 truther than pretend there’s an honest conversation to be had with a libertarian.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/09/how-american-health-care-killed-my-father/307617/
Martha and Salma are my girls
That's the exact kind of girl I like and you claim as anorexic and flat
Make up yo mind shitdick
Suppose I agree with you. How do we fix this? How do we prevent socialist nazi commies from holding public office? Do we stop the problem at the source? Do we stop them from voting? How do we do that? Well, every problem has a solution. Right?
Quit being such a pussy and spit it out. Remember. No half measures. I want solutions that will work. Bonus points if you come up with the most efficient way of accomplishing your goal.
“Government intervention creates poor outcomes”. Which is weird because the countries with the best healthcare are all government intervention. But I guess when you worship the almighty dollar then insurance companies losing out on record profits so that people can get quality healthcare is a “poor outcome”.
“If libertarians had brains they wouldn’t be libertarians”
- APAG
It wasn't until the government "fixed" healthcare through medicaid, medicare, and mandating treatment that we dropped to 37th...
Sure looks like a free market right?!
Also, don't let confounding variables like American's poor lifestyle choices, the fact that unhealthy rich people tend to spend more on healthcare, or the fact that we have a de-facto fucked up universal emergency care system get in the way of your tired MSNBC talking points.
I agree that the current system is fubar. The root cause of that is the government's over regulation and a little concept called crowding out though. Not some mythic profits that the health insurance companies are making. If they were everyone would be buying their stocks and they would be crushing the trading floor. Why isn't that happening? Oh right, because they make single digit margins.
We? were making so much progress.