Does any of this matter with Browning at the helm?
Feel like elite QB talent is a must, to create a scenario that has the Dawgs competing for a National Championship.
WE ARE NOT FUCKING TALKING ABOUT WHAT MATTERS RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKHEAD!
The whole fucking point of this thread you shit sack is that we are fucking WASHINGTON and we want our teams to look like that team in the video.
That team was made up of recruiting classes that were highly rated, but not #1 in the conference (#3 usually behind USC and UCLA, but top 15) and they had a great coach. That great coach was pretty mediocre without great recruiting. We need Joe Ngata and Gaard Memmelaar and god forbid we actually get black kids (NOT AFRICANS) to play on our team...
NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT BROWNING. FUCK JAKE BROWNING. FUCK HIS FUCKING BETA SHRIVEL DICK PANTS SHITTING SOCKS SHITTING WEED SMOKING CALIFORNIA BULLSHIT.
Skinny is a fucking generational talent you dumb sack of monkey shit so why are we even talking about this shit?
THE WHOLE POONT OF THIS THREAD IS THAT WE CAN HAVE DOMINANT TEAMS. WE HAVE HAD THEM. WE CAN AGAIN.
IF YOU MAKE EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE CAN'T: YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM AND FUCK YOU GO TO DAWGMAN.
Going back to 1960, every coach through 2000 fielded some bad ass teams that went toe to toe with the best in the country. Owens and James both won Conference and National Titles, Lambright pissed away a lot of talent, but still won some really big games (beat Ohio State and Miami in back to back games), and Rick beat a "generational" Miami along with winning a PAC Title and a Rose Bowl. We all know how far the program fell after that, to more than a decade of historic lows, but IMO, Peterman is close to restoring it. Competing against the best is in the program's DNA. It should be expected.
Does any of this matter with Browning at the helm?
Feel like elite QB talent is a must, to create a scenario that has the Dawgs competing for a National Championship.
WE ARE NOT FUCKING TALKING ABOUT WHAT MATTERS RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKHEAD!
The whole fucking point of this thread you shit sack is that we are fucking WASHINGTON and we want our teams to look like that team in the video.
That team was made up of recruiting classes that were highly rated, but not #1 in the conference (#3 usually behind USC and UCLA, but top 15) and they had a great coach. That great coach was pretty mediocre without great recruiting. We need Joe Ngata and Gaard Memmelaar and god forbid we actually get black kids (NOT AFRICANS) to play on our team...
NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT BROWNING. FUCK JAKE BROWNING. FUCK HIS FUCKING BETA SHRIVEL DICK PANTS SHITTING SOCKS SHITTING WEED SMOKING CALIFORNIA BULLSHIT.
Skinny is a fucking generational talent you dumb sack of monkey shit so why are we even talking about this shit?
THE WHOLE POONT OF THIS THREAD IS THAT WE CAN HAVE DOMINANT TEAMS. WE HAVE HAD THEM. WE CAN AGAIN.
IF YOU MAKE EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE CAN'T: YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM AND FUCK YOU GO TO DAWGMAN.
Going back to 1960, every coach through 2000 fielded some bad ass teams that went toe to toe with the best in the country. Owens and James both won Conference and National Titles, Lambright pissed away a lot of talent, but still won some really big games (beat Ohio State and Miami in back to back games), and Rick beat a "generational" Miami along with winning a PAC Title and a Rose Bowl. We all know how far the program fell after that, to more than a decade of historic lows, but IMO, Peterman is close to restoring it. Competing against the best is in the program's DNA. It should be expected.
GOD BLESS YOU.
Yes, Lambo was insanely bad. Our 1994 team beat fucking Miami on the road and Ohio State at home and then lost to fucking Oregon, Stanford and WSU. Jesus fucking Christ Lambo.
That team was Natty level, but we just gave out after the Oregon loss.
We always went toe-to-toe. We were never a team like we are now that got clown stomped by any talented teams. Sure, we took lumps from big time programs when we had shitty teams, but we gave them, too.
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
A damn good offseason discussion is simply "What is the SEC's #2 program?"
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
So, LSU is not in any fucking way, shape, or form a Tier I.
I’m so fucking sick of this shit.
LSU was shitty or middling for fucking 40 years before Saban.
They got a Natty with Saban and then a run-off Natty under Miles and haven’t done anything since. Before that they won the fucking SEC like twice in 30 years.
THEY ARE NOT TIER I.
Are they at the top of a second tier team? Sure.
Fucking morons out here are saying fucking Clemson and LSU are a tier I because that’s what’s happened recently. There is such a fucking moronic recency bias in people it’s stupid.
FROM 1960 TO 2000 LSU won the SEC 4 times.
A team wins its conference FOUR TIMES in FORTY YEARS and you idiots say they are tier one?!?
Alabama won the SEC 15 times in the same span. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s fucking embrarrasing.
You know what they have? What Clemson has? What Auburn and UGA have? Good brands.
Don’t confuse a good brand with being Tier I.
Until Saban showed up LSU had one Natty.
In 1958. All their unclaimed Natties are prior to 1965 (and they have an irrelevant one in 2011).
If we’d have hired Saban for fucking 4 years we would have a better history than fucking LSU.
Fuck LSU. They are 13th in winning % all time among P5 programs and we are 17th.
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
So, LSU is not in any fucking way, shape, or form a Tier I.
I’m so fucking sick of this shit.
LSU was shitty or middling for fucking 40 years before Saban.
They got a Natty with Saban and then a run-off Natty under Miles and haven’t done anything since. Before that they won the fucking SEC like twice in 30 years.
THEY ARE NOT TIER I.
Are they at the top of a second tier team? Sure.
Fucking morons out here are saying fucking Clemson and LSU are a tier I because that’s what’s happened recently. There is such a fucking moronic recency bias in people it’s stupid.
FROM 1960 TO 2000 LSU won the SEC 4 times.
A team wins its conference FOUR TIMES in FORTY YEARS and you idiots say they are tier one?!?
Alabama won the SEC 15 times in the same span. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s fucking embrarrasing.
You know what they have? What Clemson has? What Auburn and UGA have? Good brands.
Don’t confuse a good brand with being Tier I.
Until Saban showed up LSU had one Natty.
In 1958. All their unclaimed Natties are prior to 1965 (and they have an irrelevant one in 2011).
If we’d have hired Saban for fucking 4 years we would have a better history than fucking LSU.
Fuck LSU. They are 13th in winning % all time among P5 programs and we are 17th.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I didn't say they're tier 1. I said they're top of tier 2. You agreed.
The rest of this is just ranting for rants sake. Which is fine, IWYLTD.
P12: UCLA and UW Big XII: ?? Great conference guys SEC: Tennessee, UGA, LSU, Auburn, A&M B1G: Michigan St. ACC: Pitt is probably almost out of it now, but...
And I would never rank Clemson Tier 1.They're only up because of Dabo, if (once) he leaves for Bama they'll be back down.
I think of the tiers differently than accomplishments, I think of them in terms of a) "what caliber of a coach does it take to win here" and b) if we find a great coach how likely are we to lose him to another school?
Tier 2 schools need great coaches to win but can keep them if they actually do (DJ at UW, Dabo at Clemson).
Tier 1 schools can win with a good but not great coach (Texas with Mack Brown and even classifying him as good is generous, Florida State with Jimbo).
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
So, LSU is not in any fucking way, shape, or form a Tier I.
I’m so fucking sick of this shit.
LSU was shitty or middling for fucking 40 years before Saban.
They got a Natty with Saban and then a run-off Natty under Miles and haven’t done anything since. Before that they won the fucking SEC like twice in 30 years.
THEY ARE NOT TIER I.
Are they at the top of a second tier team? Sure.
Fucking morons out here are saying fucking Clemson and LSU are a tier I because that’s what’s happened recently. There is such a fucking moronic recency bias in people it’s stupid.
FROM 1960 TO 2000 LSU won the SEC 4 times.
A team wins its conference FOUR TIMES in FORTY YEARS and you idiots say they are tier one?!?
Alabama won the SEC 15 times in the same span. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s fucking embrarrasing.
You know what they have? What Clemson has? What Auburn and UGA have? Good brands.
Don’t confuse a good brand with being Tier I.
Until Saban showed up LSU had one Natty.
In 1958. All their unclaimed Natties are prior to 1965 (and they have an irrelevant one in 2011).
If we’d have hired Saban for fucking 4 years we would have a better history than fucking LSU.
Fuck LSU. They are 13th in winning % all time among P5 programs and we are 17th.
Jesus fucking Christ.
UW is top tier 2 program like LSU, but unlike LSU UW pisses away less talent
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
So, LSU is not in any fucking way, shape, or form a Tier I.
I’m so fucking sick of this shit.
LSU was shitty or middling for fucking 40 years before Saban.
They got a Natty with Saban and then a run-off Natty under Miles and haven’t done anything since. Before that they won the fucking SEC like twice in 30 years.
THEY ARE NOT TIER I.
Are they at the top of a second tier team? Sure.
Fucking morons out here are saying fucking Clemson and LSU are a tier I because that’s what’s happened recently. There is such a fucking moronic recency bias in people it’s stupid.
FROM 1960 TO 2000 LSU won the SEC 4 times.
A team wins its conference FOUR TIMES in FORTY YEARS and you idiots say they are tier one?!?
Alabama won the SEC 15 times in the same span. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s fucking embrarrasing.
You know what they have? What Clemson has? What Auburn and UGA have? Good brands.
Don’t confuse a good brand with being Tier I.
Until Saban showed up LSU had one Natty.
In 1958. All their unclaimed Natties are prior to 1965 (and they have an irrelevant one in 2011).
If we’d have hired Saban for fucking 4 years we would have a better history than fucking LSU.
Fuck LSU. They are 13th in winning % all time among P5 programs and we are 17th.
Jesus fucking Christ.
UW is top tier 2 program like LSU, but unlike LSU UW pisses away less talent
We're not top of tier 2. By the time Pete is done here, maybe.
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
So, LSU is not in any fucking way, shape, or form a Tier I.
I’m so fucking sick of this shit.
LSU was shitty or middling for fucking 40 years before Saban.
They got a Natty with Saban and then a run-off Natty under Miles and haven’t done anything since. Before that they won the fucking SEC like twice in 30 years.
THEY ARE NOT TIER I.
Are they at the top of a second tier team? Sure.
Fucking morons out here are saying fucking Clemson and LSU are a tier I because that’s what’s happened recently. There is such a fucking moronic recency bias in people it’s stupid.
FROM 1960 TO 2000 LSU won the SEC 4 times.
A team wins its conference FOUR TIMES in FORTY YEARS and you idiots say they are tier one?!?
Alabama won the SEC 15 times in the same span. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s fucking embrarrasing.
You know what they have? What Clemson has? What Auburn and UGA have? Good brands.
Don’t confuse a good brand with being Tier I.
Until Saban showed up LSU had one Natty.
In 1958. All their unclaimed Natties are prior to 1965 (and they have an irrelevant one in 2011).
If we’d have hired Saban for fucking 4 years we would have a better history than fucking LSU.
Fuck LSU. They are 13th in winning % all time among P5 programs and we are 17th.
Jesus fucking Christ.
UW is top tier 2 program like LSU, but unlike LSU UW pisses away less talent
Here's mine:
1A (5)
USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State,
1B (6 - 11 total in Tier 1) Penn State, Florida State, Florida, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame
2A (5)
LSU, Clemson, Nebraska, Auburn, Georgia
2B (7)
UW, UCLA, Wisconsin, Tennessee, TAMU, Michigan State, Virginia Tech
From there NOC so I'm just going to list Pac12 and SEC schools
3A
Oregon, Stanford
3B Arkansas, Ole Miss, South Carolina, TOO HIGH, Arizona State, Arizona, Missouri
No fucking way is Nebraska 1a anymore. Otherwise agree.
Lol fucking Jesus.
Why are people so fucking recency biased?
Nebraska has been just as good in the past 15 years as Bama was from 93-07.
Christ man. They are Tier 1A. They dominated the 90s.
They hired Solich and then fucked around with Callahan, Pellini and their Mike Price, Mike Riley. They had 80k at their spring game man.
If Saban went to Neb they’d be doing what Bama is doing.
Don’t forget Bama hired: Mike DuBose, Dennis Franchione (who got hired AWAY by A&M because people said it was a better job “now”), Mike FUCKING PRICE, and Mike Shula.
If Saban had gone ANYWHERE they would be above what they should be. He is easily the best HC since Bear Bryant.
Remember when people thought USC was completely unbeatable under Carroll?
Nebraska may be toward the bottom but of tier 1, but they’re not fucking Penn State.
Pitt is a tier 2 team that has dropped because interest in their program has died locally. Pitt won a Natty when I was a kid and had tons of great players, but made dumb decisions about conference affiliations and committed suicide.
What was the last Tier II program to win a national championship without an elite, generational QB?
LSU.
LSU has to be pretty damn close to tier 1, I know they're in Mandel's "Kings" tier. 3 NC's, 5 unclaimed NC's, a Heisman winner, 25 bowel wins. If they're not tier 1 they're certainly not looking up at anyone in tier 2.
So, LSU is not in any fucking way, shape, or form a Tier I.
I’m so fucking sick of this shit.
LSU was shitty or middling for fucking 40 years before Saban.
They got a Natty with Saban and then a run-off Natty under Miles and haven’t done anything since. Before that they won the fucking SEC like twice in 30 years.
THEY ARE NOT TIER I.
Are they at the top of a second tier team? Sure.
Fucking morons out here are saying fucking Clemson and LSU are a tier I because that’s what’s happened recently. There is such a fucking moronic recency bias in people it’s stupid.
FROM 1960 TO 2000 LSU won the SEC 4 times.
A team wins its conference FOUR TIMES in FORTY YEARS and you idiots say they are tier one?!?
Alabama won the SEC 15 times in the same span. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s fucking embrarrasing.
You know what they have? What Clemson has? What Auburn and UGA have? Good brands.
Don’t confuse a good brand with being Tier I.
Until Saban showed up LSU had one Natty.
In 1958. All their unclaimed Natties are prior to 1965 (and they have an irrelevant one in 2011).
If we’d have hired Saban for fucking 4 years we would have a better history than fucking LSU.
Fuck LSU. They are 13th in winning % all time among P5 programs and we are 17th.
Jesus fucking Christ.
UW is top tier 2 program like LSU, but unlike LSU UW pisses away less talent
Here's mine:
1A (5)
USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State,
1B (6 - 11 total in Tier 1) Penn State, Florida State, Florida, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame
2A (5)
LSU, Clemson, Nebraska, Auburn, Georgia
2B (7)
UW, UCLA, Wisconsin, Tennessee, TAMU, Michigan State, Virginia Tech
From there NOC so I'm just going to list Pac12 and SEC schools
3A
Oregon, Stanford
3B Arkansas, Ole Miss, South Carolina, TOO HIGH, Arizona State, Arizona, Missouri
Historically for damn sure ND is probably #1. But it's been 30 years (!) since they won a title and you have to go back another 11 years to get them another one. Two championships in 41 years. The Rust Belt ain't what it used to be. Neither is ND.
Again, I evaluate tiers in "what caliber of coach does it take to win here" and it takes a better coach to win at ND than it does at SC.
Historically for damn sure ND is probably #1. But it's been 30 years (!) since they won a title and you have to go back 41 years to get them another one. The Rust Belt ain't what it used to be. Neither is ND.
Again, I evaluate tiers in "what caliber of coach does it take to win here" and it takes a better coach to win at ND than it does at SC.
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Yes, Lambo was insanely bad. Our 1994 team beat fucking Miami on the road and Ohio State at home and then lost to fucking Oregon, Stanford and WSU. Jesus fucking Christ Lambo.
That team was Natty level, but we just gave out after the Oregon loss.
We always went toe-to-toe. We were never a team like we are now that got clown stomped by any talented teams. Sure, we took lumps from big time programs when we had shitty teams, but we gave them, too.
LSU? Georgia? Auburn? Tennessee? Florida?
I’m so fucking sick of this shit.
LSU was shitty or middling for fucking 40 years before Saban.
They got a Natty with Saban and then a run-off Natty under Miles and haven’t done anything since. Before that they won the fucking SEC like twice in 30 years.
THEY ARE NOT TIER I.
Are they at the top of a second tier team? Sure.
Fucking morons out here are saying fucking Clemson and LSU are a tier I because that’s what’s happened recently. There is such a fucking moronic recency bias in people it’s stupid.
FROM 1960 TO 2000 LSU won the SEC 4 times.
A team wins its conference FOUR TIMES in FORTY YEARS and you idiots say they are tier one?!?
Alabama won the SEC 15 times in the same span. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s fucking embrarrasing.
You know what they have? What Clemson has? What Auburn and UGA have? Good brands.
Don’t confuse a good brand with being Tier I.
Until Saban showed up LSU had one Natty.
In 1958. All their unclaimed Natties are prior to 1965 (and they have an irrelevant one in 2011).
If we’d have hired Saban for fucking 4 years we would have a better history than fucking LSU.
Fuck LSU. They are 13th in winning % all time among P5 programs and we are 17th.
Jesus fucking Christ.
The rest of this is just ranting for rants sake. Which is fine, IWYLTD.
USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame
Tier 1B:
Penn State, Florida State, Florida, Miami
P12: UCLA and UW
Big XII: ?? Great conference guys
SEC: Tennessee, UGA, LSU, Auburn, A&M
B1G: Michigan St.
ACC: Pitt is probably almost out of it now, but...
I think of the tiers differently than accomplishments, I think of them in terms of a) "what caliber of a coach does it take to win here" and b) if we find a great coach how likely are we to lose him to another school?
Tier 2 schools need great coaches to win but can keep them if they actually do (DJ at UW, Dabo at Clemson).
Tier 1 schools can win with a good but not great coach (Texas with Mack Brown and even classifying him as good is generous, Florida State with Jimbo).
1A (5)
USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State,
1B (6 - 11 total in Tier 1)
Penn State, Florida State, Florida, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame
2A (5)
LSU, Clemson, Nebraska, Auburn, Georgia
2B (7)
UW, UCLA, Wisconsin, Tennessee, TAMU, Michigan State, Virginia Tech
From there NOC so I'm just going to list Pac12 and SEC schools
3A
Oregon, Stanford
3B
Arkansas, Ole Miss, South Carolina, TOO HIGH, Arizona State, Arizona, Missouri
4
WSU, @Babushka, Vandy, Mississippi State, Kentucky
Why are people so fucking recency biased?
Nebraska has been just as good in the past 15 years as Bama was from 93-07.
Christ man. They are Tier 1A. They dominated the 90s.
They hired Solich and then fucked around with Callahan, Pellini and their Mike Price, Mike Riley. They had 80k at their spring game man.
If Saban went to Neb they’d be doing what Bama is doing.
Don’t forget Bama hired: Mike DuBose, Dennis Franchione (who got hired AWAY by A&M because people said it was a better job “now”), Mike FUCKING PRICE, and Mike Shula.
If Saban had gone ANYWHERE they would be above what they should be. He is easily the best HC since Bear Bryant.
Remember when people thought USC was completely unbeatable under Carroll?
Nebraska may be toward the bottom but of tier 1, but they’re not fucking Penn State.
Pitt is a tier 2 team that has dropped because interest in their program has died locally. Pitt won a Natty when I was a kid and had tons of great players, but made dumb decisions about conference affiliations and committed suicide.
Any list where Michigan and Notre Dame aren’t Tier 1A is a joke.
Wisconsin and Tennessee in the same tier?!? Are you joking?
Clemson is not in any tier above us, EVER.
God, were you born two weeks ago?
Fucking HELL.
Again, I evaluate tiers in "what caliber of coach does it take to win here" and it takes a better coach to win at ND than it does at SC.
This is fucking embarrassing.