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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,375
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    2001400ex said:

    This is basically just a war over who pays for the HD video that is already hogging all the bandwidth and will soon overwhelm capacity. Obviously shitheads watching Netflix all day should pay more for internet usage than my grandma who does nothing but check her AOL email. This concept is tyranny or something according to liberals. There's no way ISPs start getting into the minutiae of low bandwidth site access speed which is what's actually important about the internet and what liars are pretending the issue is.

    That said I do hope these disgusting cable companies get obliterated because it's impossible to justify their business practices or profits. They lied and bribed their way into local monopolies and then started raping customers without lube. This industry is a perfectly sickening example of typical modern era business.

    You should move to Portugal or the UK. You can pay extra there to access sites like Facebook and Youtube. You can buy social media bundles and video bundles, in addition to what you're already paying for internet access. Make extortion great again. Guyz, you don't have to follow the Trumpster on everything. Sometims he's wrong. Getting rid of net neutrality was the private vendetta of one of his retarded monkey henchman. Just like getting rid of weed is the vendetta of another of his stupid henchman. These people are certifiable idiots, and should have been fired from their posts a long time ago.


    OBK and I agree. And troomps that follow the Trump corporate line are awesome.
    OBK is the poster child of WTGWT. He shares the same dumb line of reasoning as *gasp* Bernie/Hillary supporters. Luckily Trump is a lot smarter than most of the idiots that vote and I thank him for his service.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,682
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    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,480
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    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Or, when people have their shit taken with impunity, they're less likely to get more shit.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    This is the fucking moron you guys are trusting and supporting to know what's best for the net. Meet Ajit Pai, FCC chairman:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLQViJuL-c

    And then there's this:

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/ajit-pai-jokes-about-being-a-brainwashed-verizon-puppet-at-the-fcc/

    Might be funny if it wasn't actually true. He really is a Verizon shill.
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,104
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    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Verizon and Google both gave up on expanding their fiber networks in the past few years because it was too expensive. Giving Comcast another cock to rape their customers with isn't going to change that.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    Fuck cox and fuck comcast.

    Fuck off and fuck you. You're against net neutrality, you're going to get what you deserve. No mo high speed HD interweb porno for Bitchfork.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,480
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    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Verizon and Google both gave up on expanding their fiber networks in the past few years because it was too expensive. Giving Comcast another cock to rape their customers with isn't going to change that.
    I'm hearing bandwidth isn't finite, like water or electricity. Shouldn't be a problem then.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,682
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    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,480
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    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    For all chintents & purposes, yes. Fiber or something like it is at the ass-end of the wireless towers.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,682
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    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    For all chintents & purposes, yes. Fiber or something like it is at the ass-end of the wireless towers.
    I guess every problem doesn't have a solution then
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,538
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    Fuck cox and fuck comcast.

    Fuck off and fuck you. You're against net neutrality, you're going to get what you deserve. No mo high speed HD interweb porno for Bitchfork.
    Hey cunt. I don't have any clue what net neutrality is
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,682
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    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    So let's get it done
  • RedRocketRedRocket Member Posts: 1,526
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    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    So let's get it done
    I'm interested in the local loop unbundeling approach which is what is used in the UK but you have to force ISP to relinquish control over some of their infrastructure. It was already attempted at one point in the US in the 90s and failed but whatever maybe it would work better this time around.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,220
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    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    Bored motto.

  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,220
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    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    Nerd.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,480
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    RedRocket said:

    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    So let's get it done
    I'm interested in the local loop unbundeling approach which is what is used in the UK but you have to force ISP to relinquish control over some of their infrastructure. It was already attempted at one point in the US in the 90s and failed but whatever maybe it would work better this time around.
    Sounds like a “taking”
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,750
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    PurpleJ said:

    The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.

    You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.

    It really is though, at least it should be. Landline telephones are a utility and one can easily argue that the internet is just as vital and has a much wider scope than telephone service. It’s just another brick in the one corporation wall we are heading towards.

    This thing isn’t what capitalism is supposed to be.


    And I don’t like it.

    Not one bit.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,750
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    And I didn't say the change today has anything to do with competition I said we need competition

    Don’t mistake this for siding with Hondon’t, but how is this path towards giant mega corporations encouraging competition
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,750
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    ISP's are much much more like utilities than private companies competing in a free market. Agreed that we need competition but this isn't the way that you are going to get it. I am biased in favor of free market solutions but there are very few ways to achieve an actual free market in this case. Laying new fiber in a location is prohibitive in a variety of ways and the existence of the current infrastructure often prohibits it completely. Until wireless catches up with cable you reasonably don't have a shot at real competition.

    That’s the rub right there with this. The improvement of wireless delivery is where things are going. It doesn’t make sense to bury Billions of Dollars worth of fiber to bungfuck Egypt, when in the next few years you will be able to receive high speed internet wirelessly.
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