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Video analysis: UW's 3rd down production on offense in 2017

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  • GladstoneGladstone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,417
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    Except for that first clip. That shit makes me feel ridiculously happy every time I see it. It’s impossible not to smile.


  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,726
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    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    He's right:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTjtK2EcWc

    T minus 3...2...1 until someone equates that with Browning against Utah.
    Hugh Millen went orgasmic over a third down pass in the winning drive. It was impressive but that's what great qbs are supposed to do. A lot.

    Jake wasn't able to make the team better than average or worse

    Which is too bad
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,800
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    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,480
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    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    And REAL Jake had almost no quarterback coaching in high school or at Warshington.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,726
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    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
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    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?
    When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?
    When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?
    Jake was better than Ronnie Fouch, I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,726
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    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?
    When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?
    We were winless with him too

    And he cost us 1-11 with a penalty!

    We were 7-6 before Tui and 7-6 after Tui. Ok Cody's first year we were 8-4 or something but lost 65-7 to the Canes
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,800
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    ArtBriles said:

    I know a GOOD offense when I see one.

    You wouldn’t know a good defense though
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,800
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    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?
    That’s funny
  • BaldwinIVBaldwinIV Member Posts: 797
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    Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,726
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?
    That’s trueblockquote>

  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
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    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.

    Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning

    Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here

    Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama

    Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily

    I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.

    Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.

    IR, YK.
    Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he made
    I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lol
    Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the game
    Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.
    In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that bad
    Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).

    Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
    The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talent
    You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?
    When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?
    We were winless with him too

    And he cost us 1-11 with a penalty!

    We were 7-6 before Tui and 7-6 after Tui. Ok Cody's first year we were 8-4 or something but lost 65-7 to the Canes
    Jake was probably worth 4 wins the prior year. With Fouch we would've been 0-12 in '07 as well.
  • AIRWOLFAIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
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    dnc said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Locker could have been a tremendous playmaker at QB in the right system. That system wasn't Sark's offense and it sure isn't Petersen's. He would have been great in a Malzahn, Meyer, or Bill Snyder offense. Assuming that offense also had the OL to go with it and not the Willingham dregs he was playing behind.

    Why do you hate Chip Kelly?

    I really think that offense would have been perfect. Small playbook. Move fast, play on instincts, make limited number of decisions, huge threat as a runner. Locker at Oregon under Chip may have won a natty. Not under any UW coach ever.
    I was more focused on offenses that use QBs as a runner inside, on QB Powers, Dart Reads, and things like that.
  • LesGrossmanLesGrossman Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,473
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    BaldwinIV said:

    Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?

    Where were you?

    1st Down: RB run for little gain, followed by JonathanSmithFS losing faith in the running game.

    2nd Down: Jake Browning creating pressure when there isn’t any, then running 10 yards backwards before getting sacked.
  • AIRWOLFAIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
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    Gladstone said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?

    Where were you?

    1st Down: RB run for little gain, followed by JonathanSmithFS losing faith in the running game.

    2nd Down: Jake Browning creating pressure when there isn’t any, then running 10 yards backwards before getting sacked.
    This will be another offseason video discussion for us. I'm curious about 2nd and long after a 1st down short gain or incompletion. I've already pulled the stats but seeing it visually can change the story/give context that '2nd down rush for gain of 1' might not.

    3rd down defense too.

    FRANNY
    I will be interested to see the cut-ups, but second and long plus third and anything other than very short make up "passing downs" and I know that the Huskies' success rate on passing downs overall wasn't bad. I believe it was 21st in the country. Of course that isn't SOS adjusted and we know how weak the opposition was. It is pretty likely that against defenses with a pulse the passing success rate was sub-par. That's my recollection of it.
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