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The Furious Five: Leveling up or leveling off?
Dennis_DeYoung
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So, right now we are in an odd state as a program. We are doing 'pretty well' this recruiting class, but we are clearly a tier down from teams that get consistently good players like Bama, etc.
However, I've never thought we would need to compete with Bama, tOSU, USC, etc. in recruiting to be an elite program. We just have to get in that next tier. We can afford to take Mosiah Liu -IF- we get a guy like Togiai too. If we do that we ensure high levels of competition over multiple classes and—at that point—if Liu ultimately starts for us, it won't be because he's the tallest midget, it will be because he beat out dudes that are super talented.
If we can get to where half of our classes are 4-star guys, we will be in incredible shape. Why is that important? It's not necessarily because I believe 4-star guys are always more talented than 3-star guys. It's about the averages overall. So, if you are averaging getting 4-star guys, it means that generally the three star guys you are getting are probably guys who are in the same basic talent tier as your 4-star guys.
Maybe even put more simply, I want a class of HALF DDY2s and DDY3s. Is it possible? Actually, yes.
So right now we have:
QB: Sirm DDY3, Yankoff DDY2
RB: Lowe DDY3, Newton DDY2 (Lowe is playing 'Chico' which basically means Salvon, which basically means RB)
WR: Auzzy DDY3, Spiker DDY3
TE: Dev DDY2 (very close to a 3)
OL: Ale DDY2, Curne DDY2, Mele DDY3 (Curne is also close to being a 3).
DL: Bynum DDY2, Liu DDY2, Taimani DDY2, ZTP DDY2
LB: Sirm2 DDY2, Tafisi DDY2
DB: Hampton DDY3 (counting him for expediency)
So, in the next 8 days we will find out about 5 guys who are basically all DDY3s (in order of importance). The key is, we are in the TOP TWO for each of them.
1. Togiai (DDY3)
2. Gordon (DDY3)
3. Kaho (DDY3)
4. Irvin (DDY3)
5. Tremblay (DDY2)
If, we somehow manage to land all these guys, we will be in rarified air. This will be a class that we put a spike in the ground on and say 'that's when our program changed'. But to do that, we are going to have to turn into a team that fucks.
As it stands, the only guy I think we have a DECENT chance with is Kaho. Everyone else I would put our chances at 20% or less for. This is why our branding as a university and program matters. How we get talked about on TV. I mean, fucking tOSU got destroyed last year 31-0 in the playoff. The narrative was we got killed and didn't belong and USC was ultimately better. This is when that shit matters.
Right now, we are like a dude who gets attention in the bar, because we are funny and interesting, but the reality is - when Bruce Wayne circles back on our chick at 1:30ish, we are fucked. The only way to avoid that is make sure your chick goes home early, is in the bathroom when he comes by or she is already pregnant. Because if those conditions aren't meant, the hot, rich dude will be banging your bitch.
When people make these snap, late-game decisions, that 'HE'S HOT' matters. It's more visceral.
Right now for each of these guys we are up against a hot, rich dude.
Togiai is tOSU
Gordon is Notre Dame
Kaho is Bama
Irvin is Notre Dame and/or USC
Tremblay is USC
I expect us to go 0/5 on these guys because of the Bruce Wayne rule. We've never closed well (except after 1990) and I don't expect that to change. At the end of the night, hormones rage and emotions run high. Bitches want sexy at the last minute when they have to make a snap decision. We aren't sexy.
At some point, we can be - and we need to be to close. Until then we are going to get fucked over at the last minute and feel disappointed every year.
So, be prepared to pull out some porn on D20 because we are most likely going home alone. It's nice to get let into the same club as Bruce Wayne, but we are about to get a lesson in what being in the big pond looks like. It's the same lesson we always learn and try to forget: we are a 7 with a good personality... but our branding as a program is a mess and we need that shit to fuck.
So, enjoy our class for what it is. We will regroup and try on Jeremiah Martin and some other DBs during the second period and that should be fun and interesting.
If we, somehow, manage to pull 3 of these guys... you will know shit is REALLY changing.
However, I've never thought we would need to compete with Bama, tOSU, USC, etc. in recruiting to be an elite program. We just have to get in that next tier. We can afford to take Mosiah Liu -IF- we get a guy like Togiai too. If we do that we ensure high levels of competition over multiple classes and—at that point—if Liu ultimately starts for us, it won't be because he's the tallest midget, it will be because he beat out dudes that are super talented.
If we can get to where half of our classes are 4-star guys, we will be in incredible shape. Why is that important? It's not necessarily because I believe 4-star guys are always more talented than 3-star guys. It's about the averages overall. So, if you are averaging getting 4-star guys, it means that generally the three star guys you are getting are probably guys who are in the same basic talent tier as your 4-star guys.
Maybe even put more simply, I want a class of HALF DDY2s and DDY3s. Is it possible? Actually, yes.
So right now we have:
QB: Sirm DDY3, Yankoff DDY2
RB: Lowe DDY3, Newton DDY2 (Lowe is playing 'Chico' which basically means Salvon, which basically means RB)
WR: Auzzy DDY3, Spiker DDY3
TE: Dev DDY2 (very close to a 3)
OL: Ale DDY2, Curne DDY2, Mele DDY3 (Curne is also close to being a 3).
DL: Bynum DDY2, Liu DDY2, Taimani DDY2, ZTP DDY2
LB: Sirm2 DDY2, Tafisi DDY2
DB: Hampton DDY3 (counting him for expediency)
So, in the next 8 days we will find out about 5 guys who are basically all DDY3s (in order of importance). The key is, we are in the TOP TWO for each of them.
1. Togiai (DDY3)
2. Gordon (DDY3)
3. Kaho (DDY3)
4. Irvin (DDY3)
5. Tremblay (DDY2)
If, we somehow manage to land all these guys, we will be in rarified air. This will be a class that we put a spike in the ground on and say 'that's when our program changed'. But to do that, we are going to have to turn into a team that fucks.
As it stands, the only guy I think we have a DECENT chance with is Kaho. Everyone else I would put our chances at 20% or less for. This is why our branding as a university and program matters. How we get talked about on TV. I mean, fucking tOSU got destroyed last year 31-0 in the playoff. The narrative was we got killed and didn't belong and USC was ultimately better. This is when that shit matters.
Right now, we are like a dude who gets attention in the bar, because we are funny and interesting, but the reality is - when Bruce Wayne circles back on our chick at 1:30ish, we are fucked. The only way to avoid that is make sure your chick goes home early, is in the bathroom when he comes by or she is already pregnant. Because if those conditions aren't meant, the hot, rich dude will be banging your bitch.
When people make these snap, late-game decisions, that 'HE'S HOT' matters. It's more visceral.
Right now for each of these guys we are up against a hot, rich dude.
Togiai is tOSU
Gordon is Notre Dame
Kaho is Bama
Irvin is Notre Dame and/or USC
Tremblay is USC
I expect us to go 0/5 on these guys because of the Bruce Wayne rule. We've never closed well (except after 1990) and I don't expect that to change. At the end of the night, hormones rage and emotions run high. Bitches want sexy at the last minute when they have to make a snap decision. We aren't sexy.
At some point, we can be - and we need to be to close. Until then we are going to get fucked over at the last minute and feel disappointed every year.
So, be prepared to pull out some porn on D20 because we are most likely going home alone. It's nice to get let into the same club as Bruce Wayne, but we are about to get a lesson in what being in the big pond looks like. It's the same lesson we always learn and try to forget: we are a 7 with a good personality... but our branding as a program is a mess and we need that shit to fuck.
So, enjoy our class for what it is. We will regroup and try on Jeremiah Martin and some other DBs during the second period and that should be fun and interesting.
If we, somehow, manage to pull 3 of these guys... you will know shit is REALLY changing.
Comments
Classics poast otherwise.
Is a better narrative than
#roymooretouchedmybreasts
He plays in a loser offense and QBs who can take off and house-it at any time can struggle adapting to an offense that isn't like that. His balls are not as diverse as you see from a guy like Matt Corral or Trevor Lawrence (who is incredible). He generally throws at one speed and one arc-trajectory. These are things a physically dominant QB can get away with in HS, especially when mated to his ability to run.
However, the ability to throw all kinds of balls is really important.
I view him VERY similarly to how I felt about Marcus Mariota, except for the fact that Marcus was a bit faster and Marcus had elite change of direction.
He's really close to a 3. I loved Mariota because he was unreal as a runner and had a gun.
Colson is really, really good as a runner (but mostly runs straight) and really, really good as a passer (but mostly throws at one speed and trajectory).
On DICK NUT - he's close to a 1. I do like his speed change abilities, but I hate that he tries to bounce everything outside. He's got decent size. I see him as being pretty, pretty, pretty similar to Kamari Pleasant. That's why the 2.
There are a couple 1s out there we might still end up with, but that would be a big level down.
The rushing ability raises his floor considerably for my money, and he's shown enough in big games against good opponents that I don't worry about him being not clutch.
I see ways that Sirmon can't hack it mentally/emotionally. I see ways that Morris can't hack it physically. I don't have any concerns on either end about Yankoff other than injury.
I'm all in on this kid.
But I agree, whomever wins this competition should be really fucking good.
Will be fun to see how it plays out.
Now, let's FINISH!
We have a pretty good class ... it could be a great class if things play out right ...
We’ve never been a program that closes well on guys that decide late at the elite level ...
All in all I think this class will be better than last year’s class ... but we need to get just a little bit better classes to keep making a leap forward